Is Catholic Clergy Sex Abuse Related to Homosexual Priests?

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Perhaps it would be more appropriate to be on the side of the Bible and the teachings of Jesus Christ.

What the gay clerics and bishops are doing now constitutes profanation. Expressing support for their actions and covering up the abuse is in stark opposition to the teachings of the church.

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Weserthy said:
it was the sexual abuse that did the truly lasting damage.
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No contest. At least if truly that happened and happened that way.
ontheway1 said:
Perhaps it would be more appropriate to be on the side of the Bible and the teachings of Jesus Christ.
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Sometimes I have the impression that perhaps bishops and all the ranks above have an augmented Bible including some secret teachings of Jesus. Is it possible that we only know one half of the truth of our faith? Is it possible that some kind of behaviors that we find odd might come from the back side of the Bible?

29 “But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?”
Peter answered, “You are the Messiah.”
30 Jesus warned them not to tell anyone about him.
Mark 8

29 Then he touched their eyes and said, “According to your faith let it be done to you”; 30 and their sight was restored. Jesus warned them sternly, “See that no one knows about this.”
Matthew 9

“Who do the crowds say I am?” 19 They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, that one of the prophets of long ago has come back to life.” 20 “But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?” Peter answered, “God’s Messiah.” 21 Jesus strictly warned them not to tell this to anyone.
Luke 9
 
curious_cath said:
Sometimes I have the impression that perhaps bishops and all the ranks above have an augmented Bible including some secret teachings of Jesus. Is it possible that we only know one half of the truth of our faith? Is it possible that some kind of behaviors that we find odd might come from the back side of the Bible?
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Absolutely not. That would mean we that we have been deceived into believing something other than the full truth. But at time I do believe that the bishops and above do have a different play book and think the rules of faith and morals do not apply to them.
 
curious_cath said:
Like in today’s reading, Elijah was hungry so he befriended the widow. The story implies he stayed as a house guest. He controlled her for a year by filling up the jug of floor and the jar of oil.
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That is kind of twisting the Bible to suit your agenda. That seems very wrong to me. Besides, giving a widow food and sexually abusing people you have power over are very different things.
 
curious_cath said:
No contest. At least if truly that happened and happened that way.
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No one is suggesting that false accusations do not exist, but you bend so far backwards to give the accused the benefit of the doubt that you go right up to, if not beyond, the bounds of reason.
curious_cath said:
Sometimes I have the impression that perhaps bishops and all the ranks above have an augmented Bible including some secret teachings of Jesus. Is it possible that we only know one half of the truth of our faith? Is it possible that some kind of behaviors that we find odd might come from the back side of the Bible?
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The Scritural passages you have offered in support of your theory are given to us not to indicate some hidden knowledge on the part of the hierarchy, but to show that the knowledge they have is God-given revealed knowledge. And they are enjoined to pass that knowledge along to all mankind.

Now, I also have a much more serious problem with what you wrote, because you have been emphasizing mercy over justice in these cases.

That emphasis, combined with this statement of some secret knowledge of the hierarchy implies that what you think the hierarchy secretly knows is some sort of defense regarding the committing of sexual abuse.

I am sure you did not mean to imply something that horrendous, but I think you are not being careful about what you are saying and thus potentially giving the wrong impression of what you think.
 
Annie said:
what you think the hierarchy secretly knows is some sort of defense regarding the committing of sexual abuse.
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Yes, I am dead serious. I somehow accept that this is not scriptural and not coming from Jesus. Absolutely not something than can be linked in any manner to Him! Perhaps it is some kind of Gnostic residue in the hierarchy. There is definitely some secret teaching present among those who think they can do what other common folks cannot. A Cardinal may exert his power over a seminarian or a young priest. This is clerical abuse of power.

The secret teaching could be some kind of exemption rule. I am exempt from all responsibility because I am a priest, a bishop, an Archbishop or a Cardinal. The Gnostics were very good in these kinds of self-exoneration. Perhaps. what we don’t know about is that our church hierarchy in the higher echelons is purely Gnostic.
 
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I somehow accept that this is not scriptural and not coming from Jesus. Absolutely not something than can be linked in any manner to Him!
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Shew! Glad you clarified that.

I am not really concerned with that sort of thing: the devil has his ways and I don’t want to think too much about how he operates.
 
Can I ask a simple question? Who in the right mind would relate homosexuality to sexual assult and rape and pedophilia? That is all.
 
The big elephant in the room is called a homosexual network that has infected the hierarchy in the Catholic Church. Some in the hierarchy fall to even greater depravity through rape and or assault of minors.
St Peter Damien:
“it is the responsibility of the bishop or superior of a religious order to curb and eradicate the vice from their ranks…Those prelates who refuse or fail to take a strong hand in dealing with clerical sodomical practices either because of moral indifferentism or the inability to face up to a distasteful and potentially scandalous situation cause the vice to spread; the culprit grows more daring in his illicit acts knowing he will not suffer any critical loss of his clerical status, he loses all fear of God and his last state is worse than his first…If they were humble they would be able to find the door that is Christ, but they are blinded by their arrogance and conceit, and lose Christ because of their addiction to sin, never finding the gate that leads to the heavenly dwelling of the saints.”
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Your question assumes the wrong problem.

Well, the vast majority of the abuse was not pedophilia, but was abuse of post-adolescent boys. So you can not relate homosexuality to pedophilia and the answer to the OP can still be yes. As to sexual assault/rape: that can certainly be linked to homosexuality if the victims are young teenagers and boys.

Most importantly, one has to look at the sexual misconduct with adult seminarians. This is very likely the type of sexual abuse by clergy that is the most prevalent today (as the 2002 agreement did away with the vast majority of abuse of minors). And to deny this is related to homosexuality among the clergy is simply equivalent to burying one’s head in the sand.
 
About those gay clergy networks:

Church leadership won’t solve this current crisis unless it confronts homosexual practice among the clergy and especially the networks of homosexually oriented clergy operating to protect each other.

www.ncregister.com

About Those ‘Gay Clergy Networks’

COMMENTARY: Church leadership won’t solve this current crisis unless it confronts homosexual practice among the clergy and especially the networks of homosexually oriented clergy operating to protect each other.
www.ncregister.com www.ncregister.com
 
What? The Washington Post takes exception to Catholics focusing on the problem of homosexuality within the church’s hierarchy? How shocking.
 
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Ender said:
What? The Washington Post takes exception to Catholics focusing on the problem of homosexuality within the church’s hierarchy? How shocking.
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Guess who’s mentioned in the article, Ender? 😃
 
Maxirad said:
Guess who’s mentioned in the article, Ender?
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All the usual suspects:
  • “a right-wing advocacy group”
  • those “using victims for a political agenda”
  • "their goal isn’t simple justice and accountability and transparency — there is a bias.”
  • “the ultraconservative wing of the church”
 
Yes, the Washington Post article points our the poor coverage of the 2018 version of the crisis. Just imagine the Washington Post writing an article saying how the Harvey Weinstein Scandal was causing a rise in anti-heterosexual behavior. Yet Weinstein’s abuse of young actresses is no different than the abuse of a young seminarian, except that one instance is heterosexual abuse and the other is homosexual abuse. The former is condemned, the latter is brushed off and those who oppose the abuse are portrayed negatively as right-wing anti-gay groups.
 
curious_cath said:
So why should we judge them so harshly?
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Because it poses a danger to children when homosexual priests have sex in public in full view of young children as we are reading in the Miami news. Exposure of children to public sexual deviance by homosexual priests may result in changed attitudes and values of these children. It can cause children to believe that nonmonogamous relationships are normal and natural behavior. It can destroy confidence in the value of marriage as a Sacrament. And it can interfere with a child’s development by introducing the child prematurely to bizarre explicit sexual activity in public.
 
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