Is 'Contemporary' Worship out of date?

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Am I the only one around here that doesn’t mind if other Church’s worship differently than ours?

Also, am I the only one around here who can quote Scripture to prove how God feels about strings and symbols?

Psalm 150 I say again.
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I’m pretty sure the video of a “Circus Mass” was indeed Catholic. Ironic that what I see as heartfelt worship of God you call a circus, and yet the ever so unified Catholic Church had a massive mass done literally in the form of a circus.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=fHZtbnaXuGk
How is the circus music in this offensive comparison of an Orthodox liturgy to a Catholic liturgy appropriate for worship? Is it even worship? Worship is adoration. The circus is where you go to get entertained. I think we can all agree on that premise. I’m not a liturgical purist. I have no problem with piano accompaniment to the mass or guitar accompaniment. But neither am I for unfettered experimentation with forms of music meant for an entirely different purpose. A lot of people like to stress that one’s experience of music is entirely subjective. Different strokes for different folks. People stress this in response to some liturgical purists who believe there is one objective standard for music in worship, which is absurd. However, while there might be no single objective standard (mass must be done acapella in latin!), there is an objective component in music based on the shared experience of others. Do people go to heavy metal concerts to feel relaxed and thoughtful? Do people go to death metal concerts with Christian lyrics to feel reverent (yes, there is such a thing as Christian death metal). Of course not. Because different types of music elicit specific affective responses. The melody on a guitar can either provoke silent reverence or dancing depending on the melody.
 
How is the circus music in this offensive comparison of an Orthodox liturgy to a Catholic liturgy appropriate for worship? Is it even worship? Worship is adoration. The circus is where you go to get entertained. I think we can all agree on that premise. I’m not a liturgical purist. I have no problem with piano accompaniment to the mass or guitar accompaniment. But neither am I for unfettered experimentation with forms of music meant for an entirely different purpose. A lot of people like to stress that one’s experience of music is entirely subjective. Different strokes for different folks. People stress this in response to some liturgical purists who believe there is one objective standard for music in worship, which is absurd. However, while there might be no single objective standard (mass must be done acapella in latin!), there is an objective component in music based on the shared experience of others. Do people go to heavy metal concerts to feel relaxed and thoughtful? Do people go to death metal concerts with Christian lyrics to feel reverent (yes, there is such a thing as Christian death metal). Of course not. Because different types of music elicit specific affective responses. The melody on a guitar can either provoke silent reverence or dancing depending on the melody.
I can agree and will add that the music we play goes along with the readings and Psalm of the particular Sunday
 
You know what I’m talking about. Stages upstaging altars, “praise leaders” replacing ministers, bands in the front instead of organs in the back, etc. The Contemporary Worship, or ‘CoWo,’ movement has sparked a pan-denominational debate in just about every Christian denomination over the past few decades.

Supporters say its necessary to get young people interested in the church, while detractors point out its apparent lack of substance and alienation of those who “don’t rock.”

So is CoWo effective in bringing people to church? At what cost? And on a deeper level, does how we worship affect how we believe (Lex orandi, lex credendi and all that)?

I came across an article which raises some great critical points. I’d love to read your thoughts!
Mass seems contemporary to me and I don’t think it’s out of date. Aren’t Catholic numbers on the rise? If so then it’s hard to say contemporary worship is outdated unless you’re calling the Catholic Mass non-contemporary.
 
Mass seems contemporary to me and I don’t think it’s out of date. Aren’t Catholic numbers on the rise? If so then it’s hard to say contemporary worship is outdated unless you’re calling the Catholic Mass non-contemporary.
Depends. The Catholic Church is growing in Africa but it is actually shrinking in the West.
 
Depends. The Catholic Church is growing in Africa but it is actually shrinking in the West.
And my guess is that in Africa, they sing music that is very African, accompanied by drums, and quite joyous. I’ve seen videos where they dance up and down the aisles. It’s ages ago, but does anyone remember when the Missa Luba came out?
 
And my guess is that in Africa, they sing music that is very African, accompanied by drums, and quite joyous. I’ve seen videos where they dance up and down the aisles. It’s ages ago, but does anyone remember when the Missa Luba

came out?

That hasn’t been what I have seen. Catholics from African countries tend to be VERY traditional. They might employ cultural distinctives, but nothing like what is seen in the West.
As for other Christian denominations, I can’t say. The more evangelical denominations tend to be influence by Western styles and culture.

African music tends to be far different than what many in the West (whose only point of reference seems to be the old Tarzan movies) expect. 😉
 
That was a pretty terrible shot at the way some people worship. Great…you don’t like it, that doesn’t make it OK for you to call the way some people choose to worship a “circus”.
What do you want me to say? If that’s what floats your boat, feel free.
I would not call, and interestingly neither does the Bible, sitting and staring at band on stage to be worship. ‘Worship’ in the Bible is an action verb. It means to prostrate yourself before God.
Up until the twentieth century, that is what ALL, repeat ALL Christian denominations believed, Catholic and Protestant. At no point did anyone suggest sitting and listening to band to be worship.
They called it sitting and listening to a band.
It is GOD who makes the ‘choice’ of how we worship. Not a mega-church pastor booking the hottest acts in town.
 
I would not call, and interestingly neither does the Bible, sitting and staring at band on stage to be worship. ‘Worship’ in the Bible is an action verb. It means to prostrate yourself before God.
Up until the twentieth century, that is what ALL, repeat ALL Christian denominations believed, Catholic and Protestant. At no point did anyone suggest sitting and listening to band to be worship.
They called it sitting and listening to a band…
Well, not exactly. The Roman Catholic Mass has been historically for the most part a spectator experience. You go to the church, listen to the choir sing, listen to the priest say words in a language you don’t understand, and then some receive communion and some don’t. You go home. I don’t think that prostration was a part of everyday worship.
 
Well, not exactly. The Roman Catholic Mass has been historically for the most part a spectator experience. You go to the church, listen to the choir sing, listen to the priest say words in a language you don’t understand, and then some receive communion and some don’t. You go home. I don’t think that prostration was a part of everyday worship.
Have you ever been to a Traditional Latin Mass? It’s calisthenics. Up, down, up, down. 😃
It certainly is not a spectator sport.
 
What do you want me to say? If that’s what floats your boat, feel free.
I would not call, and interestingly neither does the Bible, sitting and staring at band on stage to be worship. ‘Worship’ in the Bible is an action verb. It means to prostrate yourself before God.
Up until the twentieth century, that is what ALL, repeat ALL Christian denominations believed, Catholic and Protestant. At no point did anyone suggest sitting and listening to band to be worship.
They called it sitting and listening to a band.
It is GOD who makes the ‘choice’ of how we worship. Not a mega-church pastor booking the hottest acts in town.
What would you call sitting in silence listening to the choir? Listening to the congregation? Worship, or sitting and listening to some people sing?

It’s not like a rock show in a contemporary service. There may be a band that plays what…3 songs? 5 tops? in place of hymns. Just the same as the choir may sing a few songs. Some churches have choirs some don’t. Do churches where worshipers may sit and listen to a few songs sung by the choir not worship?

I guess I find it a bit petty to tell people how they worship is wrong…meh. 🤷
 
And please understand, I’m not trying to sound like a jerk.
I have been in Baptist churches (and you can’t get more anti-liturgical than them) that have been VERY worshipful. They have piano or organ and a modest choir. And their numbers are dwindling because of the smoke and mirrors of the local mega-church. Young people get board with the hymns, the responses, the sermon. They want something flashier that doesn’t require their participation.
What happens when excitement stops? Because it will.
 
I don’t think contemporary worship was ever appropriate. The only criticism that I hear of traditional Masses is that it doesn’t bring young people to the Church, but they will agree that it is beautiful. Beauty attracts people, even the young ones. At all of the modern parishes I have gone to, the parishioners were mostly elderly. The opposite is true at traditional parishes.

The way we worship should reflect what we believe. We believe that the Blessed Sacrament is God Himself, so we kneel to receive Him and the priest is extremely careful to not drop Him by using a paten. I know this isn’t a common practice today, but that is why we do it at the Traditional Latin Mass. If we truly believe that the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is as important as it is, then we shouldn’t have music that makes it seem like nothing more than a party.
 
Have you ever been to a Traditional Latin Mass? It’s calisthenics. Up, down, up, down. 😃
It certainly is not a spectator sport.
Ah, but pews for sitting and kneeling are relatively recent. Post-Reformation (and Protestant, quite likely). The tradition is that the faithful stand, as the Eastern rites mostly do.
 
Ah, but pews for sitting and kneeling are relatively recent. Post-Reformation (and Protestant, quite likely). The tradition is that the faithful stand, as the Eastern rites mostly do.
Hey…you know your stuff. 👍
They had no kneelers in the old days either. Can you imagine kneeling on those cold stone or marble floors? :eek:
 
Hey…you know your stuff. 👍
They had no kneelers in the old days either. Can you imagine kneeling on those cold stone or marble floors? :eek:
Don’t have to imagine. Forgot to put my kneeler down on Sunday and ended up kneeling on the floor by accident. Not the most comfortable thing to have done 😉

As for the overall idea of this thread. I’m not sure contemporary worship is going out of style. If anything it seems churches that specialize in it are part of one of the areas of Christianity that is growing. Whether that will last remains to be seen. And that’s not to say there isn’t a place for traditional worship either. Personally I prefer more traditional forms of worship and I’ve seen many forms both traditional and contemporary across many denominations. But that’s not to say what I prefer and what moves me necessarily is what appeals to or moves someone else.
 
Hey…you know your stuff. 👍
They had no kneelers in the old days either. Can you imagine kneeling on those cold stone or marble floors? :eek:
Thank you! And every time you sit during the readings, or kneel on padded kneelers, please do say a prayer of thanksgiving for the Reformation and your Protestant brothers and sisters!
 
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