Wow, that’s going to be my number 1 one liner from now on. So short and simple and yet nobody can explain away the obvious logic in that line. Incredible
I am not so sure about that, considering that it makes a claim that is not supported by facts. No one is refusing the rights of adults to change anything about their sexuality if they can. the only thing being refused is the ability to use an ineffective and potentially harmful therapy on minors. Please note that I am not advocating the other way; I don’t agree with allowing minors to undergo gender reassignment therapies, whether medical, psychological, or surgical either. Some things are too significant to be done to anyone other than a freely consenting fully informed adult.
Yes. The current agenda of sex education of children from kindergarten forward, long before they are even biologically or emotionally able to deal with such matters, is its own form of pre-emptive sexual conversion therapy attemptng to sexualize children before they are prepared. It deprives them of their innocence.
There’s no solid evidence that the number of LGBT people as a percentage of the general population is growing. What has changed is that LGBT people are much more visible now than what they used to be 20 or 30 years ago because it’s much safer and more socially acceptable to be openly gay or lesbian or transgender. LGBT people are more willing to come out to their families, school mates, and work colleagues whereas in the past, they would have remained closeted because they feared losing their jobs, embarrassing their families or getting bullied at school. It’s much easier for young people to come out now to their parents and other family members in their teens instead of never coming out to them at all or waiting until much later in life. Also, many states now have laws that protect LGBT people from discrimination in housing and employment which makes it easier to come out.
Any parallels in other areas where sex is not involved? If not, then I cannot help but see an agenda based on morality (or immorality), not science.
Quite frankly, if the same bill ended sexual dysphoria therapy, reassignment, and all the other stuff for minors, I would say then there was no hypocrisy, no gay agenda, that it truly was about making minors safe, and not recruiting to increase the numbers of homosexuals. Again, the data is quite revealing that there has been a huge increase in what is conjectured to be a biological orientation.
Then a compromise might be to eliminate those elements which are problematic from this therapy, and all other therapy, for minors.
The reason you keep seeing those references is that based on the definition of conversion therapy in Canada, it includes therapy to change behavior as conversion therapy. I’ve quoted the definition twice in this thread but nobody seems to care.
Hint. Looking at pornographic pictures and subsequent electrical zapping is involved. You want to eliminate some, but not all, of that? Do you think any of that is appropriate or healthy? Eliminate that nonsense and you don’t have much left. “Talk Therapy” isn’t what people find so problematic, here.
“Solid” may be a matter of opinion, but here is the evidence:
When it comes to estimating the size of the LGBT population, there will never be any reliable numbers until there is no stigma attached to being gay or lesbian or transgender. Before then, many LGBT people will be reticent to reveal their sexual orientation on surveys or polls. Your belief that the numbers of LGBT people are growing is also nothing more than conjecture since there is only incomplete information available upon which to form an opinion. And our information on the size of the LGBT population twenty or thirty or forty years ago is even more incomplete since people were rarely asked about their sexual orientation in good scientific surveys then. Most estimates of the number of LGB people were based on Alfred Kinsey’s work from the 1950s which were even higher than current estimates.Thorolfr:
“Solid” may be a matter of opinion, but here is the evidence:
In U.S., Estimate of LGBT Population Rises to 4.5%
Millennials Are the Gayest Generation
I have never seen any study that said otherwise, and I have looked, to see if my own perception is colored. This whole “closet” conjecture, is just that, conjecture. If the intent is to do what is best for minors, then conjecture has no place, unless what is intended is not what is best for minors, but what is best for a population that cannot reproduce on its own.
I would hope, now that we have gotten past the whole issue of gay marriage in a pluralistic society, that the LGTB community might throw a little tolerance back toward people of morals and stop this crazy recruitment of children, which is all I can see justifies unique and hypocritical approaches to underage sexuality.
This should certainly not apply to faith-based ministries.
You’re conflating sexual orientation with gender identity. If someone is transgender and transitions from female to male, their sexual orientation will remain the same since there’s no connection between sexual orientation and gender identity. Bruce Jenner was reportedly attracted to women and now as Kaitlyn Jenner is probably still attracted to women.