Is Darwin's Theory of Evolution True? Part 4.0

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Did Adam look as God had planned?
Adam looked exactly as God knew he would look. That is what omniscient means.

God made a universe with rules. Those rules mean that evolution happens. If God didn’t want evolution to happen then He could have picked a different set of rules.

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That wasn’t the question and you know it.

Did Adam look as God planned?
 
Fine. I don’t quibble about definitions. If changing evolution’s name to design is all that’s stopping you from accepting it, then help yourself; call it design.
 
You are way smarter than that.

I like IDvolution.
 
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That’s right. Why the almost desperate attempts here to promote evolution?
 
One does not believe in evolution any more than one would believe in the moon-- either they accept the reality of it or they don’t. Material objects tend to change over time and genes are material objects.

I grew up in a fundamentalist Protestant church that taught that evolution couldn’t have happened, and my first exposure to hearing a man of the cloth say that there is not problem in accepting evolution as long as it’s understood that God was behind it all. It took me about 14 years from then, but I eventually converted to Catholicism when I was 30.

BTW, I just turned 73 today, and also today it’s my wife’s and my 51st wedding anniversary. You each can line up our presents anytime now.
 
Evolution is a religion not a reality.

If your religion is evolution you believe that nothing created everything and death is your hero.
 
aterial objects tend to change over time and genes are material objects.
I don’t think anyone has argued against that point. The issue is whether random chemical changes in the DNA, influenced solely by whether organisms survive or not to procreate, is a sufficient explanation for the diversity and complexity of life, the actual reality of organisms as whole beings in themselves and especially our existence as rational beings rooted in eternity. Tacking on God to what is a materialistic concept may help make it more valid, but cannot fix the problem of it’s not addressing the lack of continuity in successive generations that is especially clear in our own existence, but is also present when we think of the total difference found between matter and simple one cell creatures, as well as between them and plants or animals. It does not explain the psychological let alone the spiritual. The physical is only one dimension of what are ultimately living forms of being rooted in and created by Existence itself - the Triune Godhead.

Congratulations, by the way.
 
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Times are-a-changing’ my friend as a damn atheist Bob Dylan
Yikes. Wrong on both counts.

First of all Bob Dylan is hardly an atheist. He is the opposite, being a very spiritual person who has strong Christian inclinations and appears to have remained true to his Jewish faith. As to evolution, were it not for the necessity of its mythos to shield secular society from the evil within it, it would be long gone. Its a mess of assumptions, worldly philosophies and causal connections where none exist. It’s time has come, but it lingers.
 
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Compare the two creation stories

Everything came from no thing. (god of BUC)

Everything came from something, (God)

So many youth have been indoctrinated into the first and believe it even though it is so irrational. Simply amazing. (and a good job by the indoctrinators)
 
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I hope you reconsider your position on violence and what God told, or what people think they were told by God to do violent things. What god were the Russians dying for in World War II? As a student of the history of “modern” warfare starting from World War II, a facet that is very, very rarely mentioned is the fact that some people believe there is no money in peace. And they were and still are willing to exchange money for the lives of many in the conflicts after 1945. Another thing to consider: You will never see a headline that reads “Atheist robs liquor store, kills owner.” But if a Christian or Christian group does something, for some, it becomes: “They’re all like that.” The same for Muslims and others.

Issues regarding right and wrong cannot be reduced to nothing or ‘whatever I feel like doing.’ Not in a cohesive society. Speaking generally, if anarchy, or radical individualism, are the desired goals then the media is very strongly promoting that right now. Even social stability is literally bad for business. Create a big mess and money has to be spent to clean it up. Cooperation would be good but it appears not to be happening.
 
After years or reading threads like this here, this has all the signs of a dedicated propaganda campaign. Such campaigns have run indefinitely in the past and end only when full compliance is achieved, or the important message is simply broadcast over and over. This a form of social conditioning.
 
To what end? A Christian nation is more self governing than a materialistic one. Law enforcement, more laws, higher crime, higher social and educational costs. Higher health care costs due to risky behaviors?

To what end?
 
To what end? Stable, cooperative societies are very bad for business, and services. I’m not referring to a utopia scenario or anything perfect, but the farther people are pushed from better living to more chaotic living, new programs appear, more outside people are hired and more programs to help are required. I grew up in a period of time where neighbors helped each other for nothing. When stay at home moms were the norm, not day care, not latch key kids who had TV and now the internet to amuse them. You tear apart the family and you see ads like this in the 1980s: “No kids? $75 and you’re out. Call 800-DIVORCE.” No-Fault Divorce created out of thin air - pay the lawyer. I also watched America become more litigious. I picked up a pot in a super market and saw this label on the bottom: “Warning. If placed on a hot service this item will become hot.” Had common sense disappeared or was it something else? Kids were traumatized by divorce. Young women were convinced that aborting their baby was OK. I stood in front of an abortion clinic and watched as one young lady walked out with a bunch of roses in her arms.

Normal became abnormal. Neighbors no longer know neighbors. Everybody became obsessed by being offended or claiming they were offended. Instead of relying on our upbringing, total strangers were brought in to “reeducate” us. Decades ago, sex education in schools was a “good idea.” According to the CDC, the US is going through an STD epidemic now, but it doesn’t matter, even for groups at higher risk. Their lives do not matter as much as getting pleasure. They are hoping for new and better drugs - not a return to moral living and self-control. Self-control would mean lives saved, fewer pregnancies and so on. But the start of abortion included the fake “it’s just a blob of tissue” argument. No one would get an abortion if they were actually going to get a blob of tissue instead of a baby.

More conflict - more money. More damaged children means a greater chance of incarceration, so the Judicial/Prison Complex makes money. Private corporations use inmates to sell things. More prisons are built. There’s money in that.

When God is exchanged for money then getting money becomes god. And how dare you suggest that avoiding risky behaviors is bad? “We’re free. We get to do anything we want.” Sure, and others pay to clean up the mess. There’s money in radical individualism and a dictatorship of relativism where nothing is certain and only your ego is your guide.

Go back to communities and shared values? Why not? But there’s more money in inventing social chaos.
 
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Bigger government with more control! More power!
 
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Evolution is a religion not a reality.

If your religion is evolution you believe that nothing created everything and death is your hero.
I find it fascinating the religious people think that saying, “Evolution is a religion” is a criticism of evolution. If religion is the best thing there is, then they are effectively saying “Evolution is the best thing there is.”

Alternatively they are effectively saying that science is better than religion because “Evolution is a religion” is anther way of saying “Evolution is not science”.

<mode=“Spock”>Fascinating.< /mode>

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