Is Darwin's Theory of Evolution True? Part 4.0

[ericc]

I am sorry but Cardinal Ratzinger, before becoming Pope Benedict 16, was a champion of developing a Catholic understanding of evolutionary theories. So you should by no means dismiss the concept. After suggestions from Pope John-Paul 2, he was the one declaring that faith in Jesus Christ can be reconciled with evolution.

The Church is not denying evolution happens. However, she is not accepting as truth (since that is not substantiated nor proven) the claims of the evolutionist of the origins and development of life forms.

 

[edwest211]

What the fruit fly experiment did show was that it was possible to mix up the existing genetic material so that limbs would appear in the wrong place or the wings would vary in size. The fruit flies would not have survived in the wild.

 

[ericc]

You didn’t see the pictures… it only takes about 5 or 6 stages to go from ape to man.

Picture replace a thousand words no doubt. And the next step obviously is to deep dive into the numbers.

1. Calculate the number of nucleotide changes to get from A to B (ape to man)
2. Divide by the time available or number of generations
3. Apply the observed speed of nature. Remember nature is blind. Change can be lethal, neutral or beneficial.

If the calculations are improbable, then most likely the theory is wrong. The logical conclusion is to change to another theory to explain. But too much vested interest to do that so change the story telling. When evolution story telling meets population genetics maths , fight!

If evolution is right, we should be able to see multiple variants of ape/human species along the time line as the beneficial species gradually replace the original ape species. If nature is right we should see huge amounts of evidence along the way for the changes before we arrive at the human species. Or perhaps even surviving members of the original ape or variants. We don’t. We don’t see the cost of substitution along the way from ape to man. We see abrupt change.

Beneficial mutation is rare. To get it fixed into the population is harder still. In addition based on the fossil records, species tend to stay in stasis most of the time. Stephen Jay Gould estimate the typical species spends 90% of its time in stasis where little or no morphological change occurs.

 

[Glark]

I, and my fellow evolutionists on this post, are really trying to help here

You’re trying to help us? You must think the belief that all life on earth evolved from microbes is somehow important. If so, please explain why this is so.

 

[Glark]

But someone pointed out recent years a bacteria has been observed to evolve into a new bacteria.

Someone has pointed out to you a load of bull … otherwise known as the Third Pillar of Evolution Science - Wishful Thinking.

 

[Glark]

no but i’m talking about speciation. isn’t the whole theory of evolution about evolving into a different species?

E coli acquiring bacteria resistance is still E coli.

Once a saw a dog that had different colouring than either of it’s parents. I declared it to be a new species of dog and definitive proof that microbes can evolve into humans. I then realized that my calling in life was to be an evolutionary biologist.

 

[Glark]

But i’m trying to debunk evolution using scientific data rather than philosophical ones

Good idea. The best way to debunk junk science is with real science.

 

[Glark]

In contrast, God speaking from the cloud is information sharing about something we have already known. By the way, which language do you think God used to speak from the cloud? Did he use a human language or a language of direct spiritual communication?

I imagine those present would have heard God’s voice in their own tongue - just as the three children at Fatima would have heard her in Portuguese - just as when God warned me about that snake, I heard it in English.

What is "a language of direct spiritual communication’?

 

[edwest211]

But… but… we all developed from the first cell, which… uh… kind of… something something. Or something.

 

[Glark]

The ludicrous part is calculating all the so-called environmental changes needed for all this.

There are so many uncertainties and unknowns, it’s a waste of time even trying.

 

[Glark]

But how do we decide what scripture is the right scripture?

Good question. I investigated all the major faiths and their scriptures and the Bible was the only one that rang true for me. Plus, as far as I know, only in the Bible (OT and NT) does God tell humans that He loves them.

 

[Glark]

Did you think that evolutionary scientists have used that number, discovered the absurdity of the result, and kept quiet about it hoping nobody would notice?

Quite possibly; after all, Darwinism is about deception from beginning to end. Consider Stephen Jay Gould’s comment that the lack of transitional fossils between the major groups (eg, reptiles to birds) is “the trade secret of paleontology”. What? … Scientists keep secrets?! If you think the opinions of evolution-believing scientists are always objective and trustworthy, you are living in Disneyland.

 

[Glark]

Atheists - the carriers of evolution - would much delude themselves with their superstitious pseudo-science than submit to, or even acknowledge, their Creator.

 

[Glark]

Yet evolutionists would have you believe every single living organism today all came from a rock that blew up billions of years ago.

No evolutionist would have you believe any such thing. Where did you get that idea?

I thought is was sea-water that blew up, but I could be wrong. The prequel to evolution - (natural) abiogenesis - is a fairy tale that I haven’t bothered to study much (mainly because I’ve got better things to do than waste time on nonsense).

 

[Glark]

I like this idea. God created them!

The fossil record supports creation! Yea!

 

[Techno2000]

There are field observations which show insect resistance to chemicals are those that already have those pre-existing traits.

Antibiotic Resistance Is Prevalent in an Isolated Cave Microbiome

Antibiotic resistance is a global challenge that impacts all pharmaceutically used antibiotics. The origin of the genes associated with this resistance is of significant importance to our understanding of the evolution and dissemination of antibiotic resistance in pathogens. A growing body of...

journals.plos.org

 

[edwest211]

But you can’t say something evolved into something else when it already has this resistance.

 

[Glark]

if I left all the parts of a bicycle in a large pool of water for millions of years, it could not assemble itself. The

Ah, but if you left the bicycle parts there for a bit more time - say BILLIONS of years - it is almost certain the parts would not only have assembled themselves together correctly, but that that resultant bicycle would have reproduced, and so there would be lots and lots of bicycles! Then, given a bit more time, those bicycles would almost certainly evolve into Kawasakis, Ducatis, Harleys and then Ferraris and Porsches … and maybe the odd Ford or two. This is how matter and time work together to make stuff that looks designed - it’s called EVOLUTION and it’s wonderful.

 

[Glark]

And they walk right back into the water and became sea mammals

When sea mammals walk back onto land (again), I wonder what they will become. This process is already in tow - that’s what beached whales and dolphins are very obviously trying to do … evolve into land mammals (again). Evolution is incredible!

 

[Glark]

I am open to believe in evolution based on scientific facts

Good luck with that!

After all, I think the Church allows it

It seems to me that the Church puts too much faith in her Pontifical Academy of Science, which is loaded with evo-obsessed atheists.

Previously, I thought speciation has not been observed, until this E.coli news.

Speciation happens all the time. For example, Green Warblers speciate into more Green Warblers. But don’t let terms like “speciation” and “new species” fool you. Green Warblers can’t speciate for a billion years, but they will still be Green Warblers.