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Aloysium
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Or so the story goes, when day to day experience says the exact opposite.
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edwest211
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There was no meantime. They had to eat every day. But this sort of gets skipped over for some reason…
Evolution “knew” exactly what to do.
Evolution “knew” exactly what to do.
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Techno2000
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You need to explain what was all these environmental pressures that was triggering random mutations to build all the millions of different kinds of plants and animal species.There would have to be millions of transitional stages all needing environmental pressures to mutate every stage.Sometimes it is lack of environmental pressure and abundance of niches.
Think of all the breeds of dogs there are. Put them in the wild, and all that structural diversity would all be gone in a few decades, maybe even a few years. There is very little actual genetic difference behind all that diversity
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Curious11
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Please explain how you arrived at that conclusion. Before you relate human experience, you should know that humans no longer evolve by natural selection, we live in a different kind of environment now
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edwest211
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But… but… no one can show that.
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buffalo
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With walls like a swimming pool to prevent it from spreading.I would disagree here. I suspect that most Theistic Evolutionists think that the flood was a large local flood somewhere in the Middle East, which was taken into the Bible and used as a parable.
There was a real flood, but it was local, not worldwide. See the Epic of Gilgamash for another version of what was probably the same original flood.
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Curious11
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There were. What is so hard to understand? You can show that black moths became much more numerous in Britain during the industrial revolution because trees were getting blacker due to pollution. So they increased in numbers and other moths decreased
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buffalo
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Why does it seem unlikely? That is what the fossil record shows and what Genesis says.Nobody argued against that. I’m arguing against the idea that there are hard-coded limits set by God in the DNA of dogs. That seems highly unlikely to me.
The fossil record shows abrupt appearance, stasis (hard coded limits) and variation within.
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buffalo
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Yes, extinctions happen for several reasons. Reporductive isolation and deleterious mutations are reasons.Oh I think we’re seeing evolutionary history right now. Species are dying out at a terrific rate.
That, by the way, is not a theory. Those are observations.
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buffalo
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The pictures have to be this way because the finer detail cannot be known.Note the Grade Level in that. Also remember that while we are in school we’re supposed to come away with more substance than just the pictures, LOL.
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buffalo
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They don’t. It down to 70-80% now, But even if they did, it is the programming that makes the difference.How do you explain the genetic and fossil evidence? How do you explain that humans share about 97% DNA with chimpanzees?
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buffalo
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It should be very easy to show me the evolutionary pathway in fine detail then.Die out or survive thanks to completely random genetic mutations. It’s called a transition. A rat doesnt become a whale in one afternoon. It takes a lot of time
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Curious11
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Look it up. Otherwise, what are you? A young earth creationist?
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Techno2000
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That’s microevolution… they are still moths. they didn’t change into something new.There were. What is so hard to understand? You can show that black moths became much more numerous in Britain during the industrial revolution because trees were getting blacker due to pollution. So they increased in numbers and other moths decreased
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rossum
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Environmental pressures do not trigger mutations; mutations are happening all the time. The average human has about 75 mutations for example. What environmental changes do affect is natural selection. Mutations that might have been neutral before are now beneficial in the new environment, so will increase in the population through natural selection. The effect of the environment is indirect, it does not directly change the mutation rate, which is roughly constant.You need to explain what was all these environmental pressures that was triggering random mutations to build all the millions of different kinds of plants and animal species.
In a slowly changing environment those pressures are roughly constant over many generations and over whole populations. For example, with a human population of 7 billion and 75 mutations average per individual, that is a pool of 7e9 x 75 = 525,000,000,000 mutations for natural selection to select from.There would have to be millions of transitional stages all needing environmental pressures to mutate every stage.
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buffalo
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Really? Just answer the question asked.Look it up. Otherwise, what are you? A young earth creationist?
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Curious11
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Dude but can’t you see that something like that could lead to new species? What if the other moths had died and only these survived?
How do your create 5 threads about this and still not understand it?
How do your create 5 threads about this and still not understand it?
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buffalo
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Built in adaptation and programming is a better explanation.In a slowly changing environment those pressures are roughly constant over many generations and over whole populations. For example, with a human population of 7 billion and 75 mutations average per individual, that is a pool of 7e9 x 75 = 525,000,000,000 mutations for natural selection to select from.
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rossum
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You are both right and wrong. It was microevolution because they were still the same species of moth. Evolution from one species of moth to a different species of moth is macroevolution. There are about 150,000 different species of moth known. In creationist terms, moths are a ‘kind’, not a species.That’s microevolution… they are still moths. they didn’t change into something new.
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buffalo
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You can keep repeating yourself. Not being able to reproduce is a loss of function.You are both right and wrong. It was microevolution because they were still the same species of moth. Evolution from one species of moth to a different species of moth is macroevolution. There are about 150,000 different species of moth known. In creationist terms, moths are a ‘kind’, not a species.
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