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Hugh_Farey
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No.
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If you have any evidence for this I shall be pleased to read it.
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edwest211
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What’s wrong with that statement? E-coli remains e-coli.
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Bradskii
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If we lived in the wild and you were slim, wiry and a good runner (think of a marathon runner), then you would likely pass on those characteristics to your offspring. If I were a large muscular guy (think 100 metre sprinter) then my offspring would likely be the same.
If you needed to be more of a marathon runner to run down prey over many miles, then in general, you and your offspring would do better at that type of hunting than me and mine.
All other things being equal, it would be more likely that your offspring would survive longer than mine and would pass on the genes for ‘marathon running’ to future generations.
Over time, the sprinters might die out leaving only the marathon runners. There would be a tendancy for the society as a whole to be excellent long distance runners. That’s why Ethiopia produces so many great marathon runners and Fiji doesn’t.
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Techno2000
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Evolution doesn’t happen overnight, what is the organism doing in the meantime to survive in this environment ?Techno2000:
If we lived in the wild and you were slim, wiry and a good runner (think of a marathon runner), then you would likely pass on those characteristics to your offspring. If I were a large muscular guy (think 100 metre sprinter) then my offspring would likely be the same.
If you needed to be more of a marathon runner to run down prey over many miles, then in general, you and your offspring would do better at that type of hunting than me and mine.
All other things being equal, it would be more likely that your offspring would survive longer than mine and would pass on the genes for ‘marathon running’ to future generations.
Over time, the sprinters might die out leaving only the marathon runners. There would be a tendancy for the society as a whole to be excellent long distance runners. That’s why Ethiopia produces so many great marathon runners and Fiji doesn’t.
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Bradskii
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Hunting. They all hunt. It’s just that you and yours are slightly better at it than me and mine.
Over time, that makes a difference. The people who are not great marathon runners might find it easier to fish or collect berries or dig for roots. To live a more sedentary life. They will tend to stick together while all the good runners are out hunting.
The hunters will generally breed amongst themselves and the other guys likewise. You might end up with 2 different societies. One large and sedentary. The other slim and great runners.
Nobody has died out. This could go on for very many generations. But if at some time there is less game or less berries and fish, then one group could find themselves in trouble.
Easier to explain over a beer…
Over time, that makes a difference. The people who are not great marathon runners might find it easier to fish or collect berries or dig for roots. To live a more sedentary life. They will tend to stick together while all the good runners are out hunting.
The hunters will generally breed amongst themselves and the other guys likewise. You might end up with 2 different societies. One large and sedentary. The other slim and great runners.
Nobody has died out. This could go on for very many generations. But if at some time there is less game or less berries and fish, then one group could find themselves in trouble.
Easier to explain over a beer…
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Techno2000
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So, evolution produced a bunch of animals that didn’t even know how to survive.I’m not buying that, none of this is going on today, in real life.It’s really far fetched to believe that there would be so many environmental changes that played a perfect role in millions and millions a plant and animal DNA mutations … It’s all pure speculation.
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Techno2000
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You trying to convince me the Darwinism is true… would be like me trying to convince you that God is real… it ain’t going to happen.
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buffalo
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Does evolution have limits? What are they?
Hugh_Farey says NO! This says it all. The god of BUC is omnipotent. Evolution can do anything and is unfalsifiable, therefore not scientific.
EVOLUTION = GOD
An amazing admission. Exposed once again…
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edwest211
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It would be a massive chain of events over millions of years. No guidance and no mistakes.
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Techno2000
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Using this example, one can see that there was 6 species that bit the dust, because they couldn’t cut it in their so-called new environment, and this is just for the whale, now multiply this scenario millions and millions of times, for millions of different species and think about how far fetched it is.
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Hugh_Farey
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What a spokesperson for Atheism! With a few more like you on their side, there would be precious little we Catholics could do to save our religion from oblivion.
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Bradskii
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What do you mean ‘didn’t know how to survive’? Everyone in the scenario lived happily ever after. Except that one group might die out if the type of food that they they are expert at hunting/collecting dissapears. This happens all the time and you fully appreciate it. Extinctions are the norm. Things change. Sometimes slowly. Sometimes quite quickly. If a group can adapt at the same rate as the environment is changing then they will survive. Otherwise they will die out.Bradskii:
So, evolution produced a bunch of animals that didn’t even know how to survive.I’m not buying that, none of this is going on today, in real life.It’s really far fetched to believe that there would be so many environmental changes that played a perfect role in millions and millions a plant and animal DNA mutations … It’s all pure speculation.
This is blazingly simple.
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Bradskii
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You don’t have to convince me that God exists. All you need do is make sure that I understand the arguments for His existence. Then I can tell you if I believe them or not.Bradskii:
You trying to convince me the Darwinism is true… would be like me trying to convince you that God is real… it ain’t going to happen.
The first step for a lot of people here is to try to make you understand the arguments for evolution. You can then decide if you believe them or not. And after countless posts and months of very detailed explanations, you are no further to understanding any of it.
There is ignorance, which we are all prone to. And then there is willful ignorance.
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Techno2000
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How does what you said apply to the plant kingdom ?Techno2000:
What do you mean ‘didn’t know how to survive’? Everyone in the scenario lived happily ever after. Except that one group might die out if the type of food that they they are expert at hunting/collecting dissapears. This happens all the time and you fully appreciate it. Extinctions are the norm. Things change. Sometimes slowly. Sometimes quite quickly. If a group can adapt at the same rate as the environment is changing then they will survive. Otherwise they will die out.Bradskii:
So, evolution produced a bunch of animals that didn’t even know how to survive.I’m not buying that, none of this is going on today, in real life.It’s really far fetched to believe that there would be so many environmental changes that played a perfect role in millions and millions a plant and animal DNA mutations … It’s all pure speculation.
This is blazingly simple.
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buffalo
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Catholicism has the fullness of truth, was founded by Jesus Christ and protected by the holy Spirit. It will never go into oblivion.
The truth will always stand and be sought.
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Richca
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Yes, after 50,000 generations there remains E-coli. Also, this experiment is in a controlled enviroment, not the real world, and it favors artificially induced mutations, gene expression, or whatever they are doing from what I understand. The experiment does not bode well for macroevolution. Apparently, after 75 days, you can get 500 generations from the E-coli and after 50,000 generations you still have E-coli. The supposed macroevolution of the bigger animals don’t reproduce this fast and if one takes a look at the appearance in the fossil record of the various animals and calculates the math from the E-coli experiment, the supposed evolution from one species to another is probably going to be off the charts concerning the time factor.
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Hugh_Farey
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Well, we can all thank God for that.
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Bradskii
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This is an answer that could be worked out by anyone with an iq higher than ambient room temperature. How about you give it your best shot and see where it takes us.
I’ve got to book a room in NO at the moment. I’ll call back in later to see how you did. Don’t let me down. Give it your best shot.
I’ve got to book a room in NO at the moment. I’ll call back in later to see how you did. Don’t let me down. Give it your best shot.
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Hugh_Farey
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You need to read all the posts as one. There is a discussion about the fossil record a little way on.
You need to read all the posts as one. There is a discussion about probability a little way on.
Evolution does not have to be observed at all for it still to be a better explanation for what is observed than creationism.
You appear to have succinctly demonstrated the failings of the three ‘arguments for creationism’ that I enumerated above. Go back and see what’s wrong with them. They’re posts 1616 and 1618, I think.
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