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benjamin1973
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. . . because the people who actually wrote the story didn’t know about force fields or about space, perhaps?
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Hugh_Farey
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Exactly! This couple of articles, which no doubt you have put forward in the hope that they weaken the evolutionary case, precisely illustrate what I was saying above.
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MarcusTulliusCiero
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I don’t know. Do you know what the environmental catalyst was for making humans hate the smell of old shoes?
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This is weirdly compulsive.benjamin1973:
You seemed to assert that several times even when explaining to your son.
To clear it up - Could God have intervened to get the animals to the ark?
So God was really, really angry at everyone and decided to kill them all. And of all the gazillion ways He could have done it was to create a giant rainstorm that will flood the world and drown everyone (well, all those who didn’t have boats).
Then He decided to save a few people so out of all the gazillion ways He could have done this, He told them to build a boat (which took them AGES).
Then He thought: hang on…all the animals will drown and I need to save them for future generations. So out of all the gazillion ways He could have saved them, He made sure they all got on the boat.
Then when the waters receded, He thought: Darn it. Now I have to repopulate the entire planet with just what’s on the boat. So he took the penguins and the polar bears to the antarctic, the 'roos and the wallabies and the emus to Australia and the horses and the sloths to South America and the elephants and the rhinos to Africa and the pandas…etc.
I’m not sure that for someone who is omnipotent, He actually thought all this through.
But gee, as Hugh I think said, it gives some of us a really good laugh when people take it seriously. The rest of the world looks on and laughs.
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Techno2000
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But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God has chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
1 Corinthians 1:27
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buffalo
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Yes, He could have done it many other ways. When you see Him soon, ask Him why He chose that way. Anything about creation biology, physics, the universe we could ask the very same question. Why did He choose that way?
The important thing is that the flood is recorded and over 70 cultures have accounts of it. Something very big happened.
Catholics know God to be almighty. (just a correction)
Consider the quantum physics observer effects. Perhaps we inflict our own disasters by our reckless and evil actions. In other words, the journey of the earth is steered by us, the participants of the journey.
The covenant God made about no more floods - no matter how bad you guys get, I (God) will not allow the effects to cause a flood. The Bible is full of stories and warnings about the ill effects of human bad behavior.
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The question is actually one that you are not capable of asking. Let alone answering. Which is ‘Why was it written that way?’ That is, why was it written in human terms of the time? Do you think in order that uninformed, ignorant and unsophisticated people would be able to understand it?Bradskii:
Yes, He could have done it many other ways. When you see Him soon, ask Him why He chose that way. Anything about creation biology, physics, the universe we could ask the very same question. Why did He choose that way?
It is normal at junctures such as this to state something along the lines of ‘present company excluded’. But the evidence of these last few months precludes me from doing so.
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buffalo
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Adam and Eve had the preternatural gift of infused knowledge. (I do not subscribe to the evolutionary paradigm of the stupid cave man) The Old Testament is full of prophecies that were fulfilled by one man, Jesus. Few understood them, yet they were still recorded. As time went on they were better understood.
We do not know the total sophistication of the preflood people. After the flood, much was lost and had to be relearned and experienced. It is like a library of knowledge everyone depends on, suddenly disappears.
The Bible is such a library and carries on. Much still can be learned from these important writings.
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buffalo
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We have two radically different points of view.
- God used evolution to destroy creatures to be replaced by higher evolved ones.
- God created the creatures good and sin has caused their decay and destruction.
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ratio1
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O time to evolve soon!
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benjamin1973
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So. . .
The sins of early pre-giraffes cause the giraffes to lose the ability to have short necks?
The sins of early pre-giraffes cause the giraffes to lose the ability to have short necks?
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buffalo
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Adaptation…
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benjamin1973
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And what’s the mechanism of adaptation? If you say natural selection, you have to leave this forum, right now. 
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buffalo
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Sorry. Natural selection is now understood to be a conservative process, not a creative one. Adaptation is programmed right in from the get go, by DESIGN.
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Glark
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It’s only a matter of time before scientists realize that what they thought were feathers on dinosaurs weren’t feathers at all.
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Glark
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No, because allegorical stories don’t feature very precise chronological details like the following:
“In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, on the seventeenth day of the second month—on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened. And rain fell on the earth forty days and forty nights” …
“At the end of the hundred and fifty days the water had gone down, and on the seventeenth day of the seventh month the ark came to rest on the mountains of Ararat. The waters continued to recede until the tenth month, and on the first day of the tenth month the tops of the mountains became visible” …
“By the first day of the first month of Noah’s six hundred and first year, the water had dried up from the earth. Noah then removed the covering from the ark and saw that the surface of the ground was dry. By the twenty-seventh day of the second month the earth was completely dry.”
-Genesis 7,8.
What being described here is obviously real, literal history. To argue otherwise would be absurd.
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benjamin1973
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“It’s only a matter of time until (insert goofy prediction unsupported by anything but your own hunches).”
Yeah, pretty scientific.
Yeah, pretty scientific.
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Glark
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Yes, it’s official - one only has to read the Catechism (CCC) to see how misleading and biased it is towards evolution and how misleading and biased it is against a literal “six days” interpretation of Genesis.
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In 1284 a town in Hamelin in Germany was infested with rats. A rat catcher lured all the rats into the local river and all except one drowned. He was promised 1,000 guilders but was not paid. On 26th June, the ratcatcher reappeared and lured 130 children away never to be seen again. Except for one.benjamin1973:
No, because allegorical stories don’t feature very precise chronological details like the following:
“In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, on the seventeenth day of the second month—on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened. And rain fell on the earth forty days and forty nights” …
“At the end of the hundred and fifty days the water had gone down, and on the seventeenth day of the seventh month the ark came to rest on the mountains of Ararat. The waters continued to recede until the tenth month, and on the first day of the tenth month the tops of the mountains became visible” …
“By the first day of the first month of Noah’s six hundred and first year, the water had dried up from the earth. Noah then removed the covering from the ark and saw that the surface of the ground was dry. By the twenty-seventh day of the second month the earth was completely dry.”
-Genesis 7,8.
What being described here is obviously real, literal history.
It must be true. I mean, all those precise details. What is being described in the Lunenburg manuscript is obviously real, literal history.
Hey, stop sniggering at the back. This is serious.
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benjamin1973
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Do I need to quote a couple dozen book passages that include specific dates and time durations? Details just make a story more immersive.
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Bradskii just beat me to it.
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