Is Darwin's Theory of Evolution True? Part Three

[Techno2000]

Saying Adam and Eve bodily came about from early hominids doesn’t negate them being first parents or having a special purpose. It only makes a statement on how God brought about human bodies. The soul would still have been created individually by God as the human soul did not evolve, but the body is another measure.

So…Adam and Eve’s flesh bodies were the offspring of soulless animal creatures ?

 

[rossum]

You cannot prove negatives either for the same reason.

I can easily prove a negative. “There are no even prime numbers greater than 2.” That is a negative statement and is easily provable.

Some negatives are provable; other negatives are not. “Vishnu does not exist,” is not a provable statement for example.

You need to be more careful about making overly general statements.

rossum

 

[rossum]

So…Adam and Eve’s flesh bodies were the offspring of soulless animal creatures ?

We know that Adam was once a soulless body. God blew the “breath of life”, often interpreted as a human soul, into Adam’s nostrils. If he had nostrils then Adam had a physical body before he got a human soul.

There is no reason why a soulless body could not have arisen from two soulless parents.

rossum

 

[buffalo]

Uh, no. They guess that.

BTW, plants, animals and humans all have souls. It is the animating principle. Only humans have immortal souls and our parents had immortal bodies too.

 

[vz71]

general statements

Ok.
Prove the random in your wonderful evolution theory.

The claim is random mutation.
Prove it.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

Then one has to deny that Eve came directly from Adam.

Which is fine. Catholic doctrine does not insist on the factual accuracy of that aspect of Genesis, any more than it insists on the literal interpretation of creation in 6 days.

 

[edwest211]

Actually, regarding Eve, it does.

“We record what is to all known, and cannot be doubted by any, that God, on the sixth day of creation, having made man from the slime of the earth, and having breathed into his face the breath of life, gave him a companion, whom He miraculously took from the side of Adam when he was locked in sleep.”

Pope Leo XIII, Arcanum

 

[buffalo]

Sure it does. And so many Popes have affirmed it.

 

[rossum]

Both the Lederberg Experiment and the Luria-Delbruck Experiment show that mutations are random.

rossum

 

[Glark]

Okay. . . prove anything the Bible says about the creation of life.

Religious faith doesn’t depend on the same criteria as science. You are claiming belief based on scientific facts and empirical evidence; I am claiming belief based on faith - these two approaches to reality are worlds apart. However, what you don’t seem to realize is, your “scientific” belief is fake, as it is based mostly on conjecture and theory, not facts and empirical evidence. Further, you then falsely claim such conjecture and theory as “knowledge”.
(Some people claim astrology is “knowledge”, but I have my doubts. It used to be considered “knowledge” to believe that the earth was flat. The moral of the story is, belief, no matter how strongly held, is not knowledge.)

Then understand that evolutionary theory is a theory designed to FIT FACTS.

Right, and what about all those facts that contradict evolution?

 

[Glark]

Do you even physics bro?

We are nihilists Lebowski we believe in nothing

Translation required.

 

[edwest211]

The more I read science journals, the more I realize how little scientists know. I’m seeing no connection between what biologists can demonstrate as true regarding living things as compared to evolution.

 

[Glark]

That would be fine if the subject is divine revelation. But it is inappropriate when the subject is evolution,

Benjamin asked me how I would prove my idea of reality. My idea of reality is based on faith and it doesn’t need to be proven, that why it’s called faith.

 

[buffalo]

I ask again. Are these the best offerings you have? If I rebut will you convert?

 

[Glark]

Since what you call pseudo-science is in fact science, it is accurate to say that you have a distrust of science. You can’t just redefine your problems away.

Real science is based on facts and empirical evidence - you know, stuff that can be put to the test. Since evolution is largely based on a preconception (that life on earth evolved from microbes), conjectures and assumptions - that cannot be put to the test - it easily qualifies as pseudo-science.

 

[Glark]

We can all see it on moldy fruit and bread.

When I don’t wash for a month, it starts growing on my face.

 

[Glark]

Define Darwinism

Rightly or wrongly, I would define Darwinism as the belief that all life on earth evolved from microbes - whether directed by God Almighty or not.

 

[Glark]

“36 …Some however, rashly transgress this liberty of discussion, when they act as if the origin of the human body from pre-existing and living matter were already completely certain and proved by the facts which have been discovered up to now and by reasoning on those facts, and as if there were nothing in the sources of divine revelation which demands the greatest moderation and caution in this question.” Humani Generis

In other words, the possibility exists that the Church could one day declare that the human body did not come from pre-existing and living matter.

 

[Glark]

Which is the boss?

I think Odin should be the boss.

 

[Glark]

I was assuming that even if evolution did go against Church teaching, and the Church should know, then I wanted to question why it would not have been condemned, instead of being more and more embraced by our last few popes.

Maybe because it is leading to something - the coming of the Antichrist, for example. Just as John the Baptist urged to people to “make straight your ways” to prepare for the coming of the Lord, the anti-John the Baptists are urging the people to “make crooked you ways” to prepare for the coming of the Evil One. This could also involve some kind of deception relating to extraterrestrials, the belief in which has been facilitated by belief in evolution. Just a thought.