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But evidently, many of our religious leaders need the approval of scientists. Scientism entered the Church quite a while ago, me thinks.
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You forgot to mention the part that says God made Adams body from inanimate matter, and that God told Adam he would “return” to inanimate matter when he died (one cannot “return” to inanimate matter if one never was inanimate matter. If Adam was the offspring of a living creature, he was never inanimate matter).We know that Adam was once a soulless body. God blew the “breath of life”, often interpreted as a human soul, into Adam’s nostrils. If he had nostrils then Adam had a physical body before he got a human soul.
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“Each for the other” - “A unity in two”
371 God created man and woman together and willed each for the other. The Word of God gives us to understand this through various features of the sacred text. "It is not good that the man should be alone. I will make him a helper fit for him."242 None of the animals can be man’s partner.243 The woman God “fashions” from the man’s rib and brings to him elicits on the man’s part a cry of wonder, an exclamation of love and communion: "This at last is bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh."244 Man discovers woman as another “I”, sharing the same humanity.
372 Man and woman were made “for each other” - not that God left them half-made and incomplete: he created them to be a communion of persons, in which each can be “helpmate” to the other, for they are equal as persons (“bone of my bones. . .”) and complementary as masculine and feminine. In marriage God unites them in such a way that, by forming “one flesh”,245 they can transmit human life: "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth."246 By transmitting human life to their descendants, man and woman as spouses and parents cooperate in a unique way in the Creator’s work.247
373 In God’s plan man and woman have the vocation of “subduing” the earth248 as stewards of God. This sovereignty is not to be an arbitrary and destructive domination. God calls man and woman, made in the image of the Creator “who loves everything that exists”,249 to share in his providence toward other creatures; hence their responsibility for the world God has entrusted to them.
371 God created man and woman together and willed each for the other. The Word of God gives us to understand this through various features of the sacred text. "It is not good that the man should be alone. I will make him a helper fit for him."242 None of the animals can be man’s partner.243 The woman God “fashions” from the man’s rib and brings to him elicits on the man’s part a cry of wonder, an exclamation of love and communion: "This at last is bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh."244 Man discovers woman as another “I”, sharing the same humanity.
372 Man and woman were made “for each other” - not that God left them half-made and incomplete: he created them to be a communion of persons, in which each can be “helpmate” to the other, for they are equal as persons (“bone of my bones. . .”) and complementary as masculine and feminine. In marriage God unites them in such a way that, by forming “one flesh”,245 they can transmit human life: "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth."246 By transmitting human life to their descendants, man and woman as spouses and parents cooperate in a unique way in the Creator’s work.247
373 In God’s plan man and woman have the vocation of “subduing” the earth248 as stewards of God. This sovereignty is not to be an arbitrary and destructive domination. God calls man and woman, made in the image of the Creator “who loves everything that exists”,249 to share in his providence toward other creatures; hence their responsibility for the world God has entrusted to them.
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A lot of Bible state that after God breathed into his nostrils, Adam became a “living being”. This term makes no sense if Adam was the offspring of a creature that was already alive. It makes sense only if Adam was previously a non-“living being” - inanimate matter.BTW, plants, animals and humans all have souls. It is the animating principle. Only humans have immortal souls and our parents had immortal bodies too.
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Adam and Eve were specially created.
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Notice the words, "We record what is to all know, and cannot be doubted by any … ". Sounds very much like an infallible declaration to me. But who cares? Science knows best.“We record what is to all known, and cannot be doubted by any, that God, on the sixth day of creation, having made man from the slime of the earth, and having breathed into his face the breath of life, gave him a companion, whom He miraculously took from the side of Adam when he was locked in sleep.”
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Here, only science matters. And secular thinking. No religious beliefs are allowed. Or they are mentioned but deemed unacceptable.
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Possible, but I think devils and extraterrestrials are two separate creations, if any living being does exist outside earth.Maybe because it is leading to something - the coming of the Antichrist, for example. Just as John the Baptist urged to people to “make straight your ways” to prepare for the coming of the Lord, the anti-John the Baptists are urging the people to “make crooked you ways” to prepare for the coming of the Evil One. This could also involve some kind of deception relating to extraterrestrials, the belief in which has been facilitated by belief in evolution. Just a thought.
It could be one explanation for it, but is it the most likely or most reasonable explanation? Isn’t the explanation that science is just discovering another way of looking at Creation we hadn’t thought of before? That maybe God wanted us to use our reason and intellect to discover his creation and make some conclusions ourselves, instead of having to reveal everything in clear and perfect detail?
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They know so little because they are dealing with the awesome glory and power of God’s creation. They think they know a lot because they suffer from the first of the Seven Deadly Sins - pride.The more I read science journals, the more I realize how little scientists know.
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Revelation trumps man’s speculation.
In other words: Arrows show information flow.
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We know that eve came from Adam, but we don’t know how exactly, the story in Genesis doesn’t read like bystander witnessing it for themselves, but merely relating the general idea.Next would be Eve coming directly from Adam.
Science may shed some light on how exactly, the more we discover of God’s creation. Maybe Eve coming from Adam is not so unique in nature and is what happens at evolution events.
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This is what results from thinking that science equates to truth (Scientism). “Man is the measure of all things” - a more foolish thought never entered the mind of a human being.Here, only science matters. And secular thinking. No religious beliefs are allowed. Or they are mentioned but deemed unacceptable
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General idea? It is more than enough information - she came from Adam.
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edwest211
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Man becomes god. I recall a serpent mentioning that idea to someone… somewhere. Man, again, is ready to fall… again.
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Maybe, but I prefer the Satanic conspiracy thing. After all, in 1972. Pope Paul VI said, “the smoke of Satan has entered into the Temple of God”. And there is also Saint (Padre) Pio’s comment about Freemasonry having infiltrated the upper-hierarchy of the Church. Very interesting!It could be one explanation for it, but is it the most likely or most reasonable explanation? Isn’t the explanation that science is just discovering another way of looking at Creation we hadn’t thought of before? That maybe God wanted us to use our reason and intellect to discover his creation and make some conclusions ourselves, instead of having to reveal everything in clear and perfect detail?
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Pride comes before the fall, as they say.Man becomes god. I recall a serpent mentioning that idea to someone… somewhere. Man, again, is ready to fall… again.
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That’s general, specifically how exactly did she come from Adam? We know she started out as a rib then was a woman, what was the process in between exactly? Was it instantaneous or gradual? The account is not explicit.General idea? It is more than enough information - she came from Adam.
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When has Satan not entered the temple? Look at the early church even, sinners galore inside the church of God, in the bodies of his believers which are also temples. I don’t think it is apocalyptic, just a fact that Satan will be around until the end of time.Maybe, but I prefer the Satanic conspiracy thing. After all, in 1972. Pope Paul VI said, “the smoke of Satan has entered into the Temple of God”. And there is also Saint (Padre) Pio’s comment about Freemasonry having infiltrated the upper-hierarchy of the Church. Very interesting!
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How long do you think Adam was in the deep sleep? 1 minute, 1 day, 1year, 1000 years? or more?
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[The Creation of Adam.] Book of Jubilees - Yes I know it is non-canonical, but this may shed more light on it)
Now the formation of Adam took place in this wise: On the Sixth Day, which is the Eve of the Sabbath, at the first hour of the day, When quietness was reigning over [Fol. 4b, col. 2] all the Ranks [of the Angels], and the hosts [of heaven], God said, " Come ye, let Us make man in Our image, and according to Our likeness." [ Gen1:26 ] Now by this word " Us" He maketh known concerning the Glorious Persons [of the Trinity]. And when the angels heard this utterance, they {ell into a state of fear and trembling, and they said to one another, " A mighty miracle will be made manifest to us this day [that is to say], the likeness of God, our Maker." And they saw the right hand of God opened out flat, and stretched out over the whole world; and all creatures were collected in the palm of His right hand. And they saw that He took from the whole mass of the earth one grain of dust, and from the whole nature of water one drop of water, and from all the air which is above one puff of wind, and from the whole nature of fire a little of its heat and warmth. And the angels saw that when these four feeble (or inert) materials were placed in the palm of His right hand [Fol. 5a, Col I], that is to say, cold, and heat, and dryness, and moisture, God formed Adam. Now, for what reason did God make Adam out of these four materials unless it were [to show] that everything which is in the world should be in subordination to him through them? He took a grain from the earth in order that everything in nature which is formed of earth should be subject unto him; and a drop of water in order Mysteries of Heavethat everything which is in the seas and rivers should be his; and a puff of air so that all kinds [of creatures] which fly in the air might be given unto him; and the heat of fire so that all the beings that are fiery in nature, and the celestial hosts, might be his helpers.
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Now the formation of Adam took place in this wise: On the Sixth Day, which is the Eve of the Sabbath, at the first hour of the day, When quietness was reigning over [Fol. 4b, col. 2] all the Ranks [of the Angels], and the hosts [of heaven], God said, " Come ye, let Us make man in Our image, and according to Our likeness." [ Gen1:26 ] Now by this word " Us" He maketh known concerning the Glorious Persons [of the Trinity]. And when the angels heard this utterance, they {ell into a state of fear and trembling, and they said to one another, " A mighty miracle will be made manifest to us this day [that is to say], the likeness of God, our Maker." And they saw the right hand of God opened out flat, and stretched out over the whole world; and all creatures were collected in the palm of His right hand. And they saw that He took from the whole mass of the earth one grain of dust, and from the whole nature of water one drop of water, and from all the air which is above one puff of wind, and from the whole nature of fire a little of its heat and warmth. And the angels saw that when these four feeble (or inert) materials were placed in the palm of His right hand [Fol. 5a, Col I], that is to say, cold, and heat, and dryness, and moisture, God formed Adam. Now, for what reason did God make Adam out of these four materials unless it were [to show] that everything which is in the world should be in subordination to him through them? He took a grain from the earth in order that everything in nature which is formed of earth should be subject unto him; and a drop of water in order Mysteries of Heavethat everything which is in the seas and rivers should be his; and a puff of air so that all kinds [of creatures] which fly in the air might be given unto him; and the heat of fire so that all the beings that are fiery in nature, and the celestial hosts, might be his helpers.
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