Is Darwin's Theory of Evolution True? Part Three

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Glark said:
And didn’t Darwin say he could imagine sea-creatures evolving from a bear? What a mind!
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Yeah… this stuff is confusing … did life start in the water and crawl out to land or visa versa ?
 
rossum said:
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Techno2000:
If giraffes evolved from Okapi… why are there still Okapi left ?
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They didn’t. Both giraffes and okapi evolved from some common ancestor. Your understanding of evolution is faulty here.

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Why did the common ancestor die out ?
 
Glark said:
Someone who completely rejects microbe-man evolution can theoretically gain a degree (or higher) in biology and become a perfectly competent biologist. This is because applied biology relies on facts, not useless stories about what happened millions of years ago. In fact, there are numerous “six day” creationists who are extremely highly-qualified in the field of biological science.
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“Highly qualified” in your opinion? And who totally reject evolution? If so, I challenge you to name one.
Glark said:
Well, that settles it then - a scientist (probably an atheist) says man’s creation is statistically impossible. Scientists are infallible - and as the Catechism implies, their “knowledge” of evolution is as good the “unerring (infallible) knowledge” that comes from God.
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It does not advance reasoned debate when you resort to sarcasm.
Glark said:
I believe it can be demonstrated the Catechism is both technically incorrect and misleading when it comes to evolution. That being the case, I am perfectly entitled to criticise it.

Bible has authority only because the Church gives it authority.
Next, I accept the authority of the Church - but only those parts that are authentic and have not been spiritually and intellectually corrupted.
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If you only accept the authority of the Bible when it agrees with you then you do not accept any authority at all - Church or Bible.
But I don’t know why you are complaining. The Catechism does allow for your private interpretation of Genesis.
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Maybe it does. But can you point out where? And where does it say the faithful can believe in a literal “six days” interpretation of Genesis?
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Just read it. And what gave you the idea that the Catechism requires evolution?
Glark said:
Fossils showing the transition from one major group to another (reptiles to birds, for example), are conspicuously non-existent. Gee, I wonder why that is?
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That’s easy. It is because the “major groups” were invented to match the available fossils.
Glark said:
Animal and plant breeding by humans can be considered a massive global experiment that has been in progress for thousands of years. The results provide no evidence that one kind of animal can evolve into a completely different kind of animal.
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New species (able to breed only among themselves) have arisen in the last 100 years.
 
Glark said:
As Mel Gibson once said, “Who knows what they (the post-Vat II Church) believes these days … I didn’ t leave the Church, the Church left me”. Food for thought.
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So you don’t believe in the authority of the Church or the Bible, but you do believe in the authority of Mel Gibson?
 
Glark said:
if you can trust an atheist pseudo-scientific cult to present the evidence truthfully and objectively
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That is grounded on the assumption that they are 1. atheist 2. pseudo-scientific 3. a cult. The first has no real bearing, the second is probably the most important, and the third is like the first.

Do you have facts that support 1,2 or 3?
Glark said:
These same “scientists” claim that there is no evicence of design in nature and that inanimate matter can naturally produce life!
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Just because a scientist doesn’t interpret data as evidence of design, doesn’t mean there isn’t evidence of design. What is your evidence of design that you want recognized? Can you prove inanimate matter can’t produce life?
 
Glark said:
You asked me this just a few days ago. I gave you an answer.
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You have used the word microbe-man over 35 times in this thread,

I said:

Microbe-man sounds like a cartoon character

You said:

Well said - it is a fantasy and it is comical.

Evolution (supposedly) started with the simplest creature - a microbe - and has (supposedly) led to the most complex creature - man. Hence the term, “microbe-man evolution”.

But I didn’t ask you where you got it from. Did you make it up or get it from somewhere? i.e. are you the only one who uses this pejorative?
 
LeafByNiggle said:
As Mel Gibson once said, “Who knows what they (the post-Vat II Church) believes these days … I didn’ t leave the Church, the Church left me”. Food for thought.

So you don’t believe in the authority of the Church or the Bible, but you do believe in the authority of Mel Gibson?
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Mel Gibson and Glark are kindred spirits, especially on the topic of Vatican II I assume.
 
Glark said:
As Mel Gibson once said, “Who knows what they (the post-Vat II Church) believes these days … I didn’ t leave the Church, the Church left me”. Food for thought.
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Other way around, Mel left the Church is excommunicated, he’s not even Catholic. He poured $37,000,000 into a heretical sect in California.

You are following in his footsteps, with one foot out the door. Don’t go that way, it only leads to hell.
 
They say a little ignorance is a dangerous thing for precisely this reason. You’re making comments that demonstrate that you don’t respond understand how evolution works, and why every biological discipline agrees that it is the foundstional theory in their discipline. When your understanding of the theory is only on the shallowest of terms it’s very easy to not see how the pieces fit together.
 
Aloysium said:
You call yourself Iwantgod. Let’s talk about faith and science. I am interested in What you make of the Garden of Eden?
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What about the garden of Eden. Are you suggesting that place exists here and now on the planet earth?

If there was ever a place it was not on the planet Earth.
 
benjamin1973 said:
This is not a bunch of dudes sitting around spinning a yarn just 'cuz.
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Neither am I.

One of the big problems today is a lack of due respect for authority. From religious institutions to politics and the judiciary, to the family itself, scandals have undermined the societal order which we establish to exercise the graces of truth, wisdom, knowledge and counsel in our dealings with one another. This state of affairs is not good for us psychologically because we need ideals to personify who we want to become. It is detrimental spiritually because it feeds cynicism and relativistic views of of the good and the true. This serious social problem can be fixed, but it isn’t by blindly following those who presume to lead us, but through a personal adherence to truth and goodness, doing the will of God.

At issue here is not the validity of empirically derived findings, but the Darwinistic mythos that provides us with a distorted image of who we are in the universe. The problem is with the misuse of science and the educational system which promotes it. I am not surprised that evolution makes perfect sense to people, since it is what they believe and is what is pushed by secular society onto us from earliest childhood. It is an interesting exercise to examine why it is that one believes what one does. Rather than an appeal to authority, I consider it far better to appeal to self-refection and reason.

I have a lot to say about evolutionary theories themselves, but I’ll leave it for another time.
 
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IWantGod said:
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Aloysium:
You call yourself Iwantgod. Let’s talk about faith and science. I am interested in What you make of the Garden of Eden?
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What about the garden of Eden. Are you suggesting that place exists here and now on the planet earth?

If there was ever a place it was not on the planet Earth.
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No. What do you mean?
Of course it was on earth, both physically and metaphysically.
It has to do with how we in the world are transformed when in right relation to God.
 
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