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benjamin1973
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Feathered dinosaurs. Similar skeletons. That’s not wild speculation, that’s just people looking at stuff and saying the obvious.
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edwest211
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That’s not evidence.
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benjamin1973
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That is, exactly, evidence.
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edwest211
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Then please show it to everyone, along with a peer-reviewed study.
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Aloysium
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The scotoma is hardly a problem for vision, given that what we see is brought about through an almost infinitely complex neurological system that constructs the coherent image of the world through which we connect with it.
The eyes of cephalopods form as invaginations of the body surface while those of vertebrates are outgrowths of the braIn. The cephalopod eye is also focused through movement like the lens of a camera rather than the lens changing shape as the lens in vertebrates.
I’m not clear why anyone would think this a problem for design since clearly both electric and gas powered cars are designed.
For what it’s worth, I would suggest people focus on the arguments. The assumption of there being a lack of knowledge in a poster most likely simply boils down to a difference of opinion.
The eyes of cephalopods form as invaginations of the body surface while those of vertebrates are outgrowths of the braIn. The cephalopod eye is also focused through movement like the lens of a camera rather than the lens changing shape as the lens in vertebrates.
I’m not clear why anyone would think this a problem for design since clearly both electric and gas powered cars are designed.
For what it’s worth, I would suggest people focus on the arguments. The assumption of there being a lack of knowledge in a poster most likely simply boils down to a difference of opinion.
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Aloysium
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Close but not necessarily a cigar for the expectant mother’s dinosaur family. And it would be adaptation, if they are linked in terms of ancestry - you can’t win. It was clearly creation as the physical and instinctual complexity of organisms grew.
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benjamin1973
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That’s a strange assertion, since all vertebrates are “linked in terms of ancestry.” You are just talking about evolution, but refusing for some reason to use the word. I don’t get what you are saying about “expectant mothers” though-- do you think that evolutionists believe a bird was born from a dinosaur egg, fully speciated?benjamin1973:
Close but not necessarily a cigar for the expectant mother’s dinosaur family. And it would be adaptation, if they are linked in terms of ancestry - you can’t win. It was clearly creation as the physical and instinctual complexity of organisms grew.
Also. . . when I link a source and you disagree with something in it, please link the source, rather than quoting me.
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Aloysium
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Your points are noted.
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When members here ask for “Thoughts?”, sometimes that is what pops up. It is probably more pertinent in certain other threads, I must say.
As to evolution, the entropic process is far more observable and for me carries far more weight. A smidgen of knowledge of genetics tends to show that evolution is not actually possible as man thinks of it. Genetic defects may be recessive, but they are still there, are not healed, and appear in the reproductive process.
In truth, it was Warren Zevon who first interested me in the concept of entropy. From his 1989 song “Run Straight Down”
As to evolution, the entropic process is far more observable and for me carries far more weight. A smidgen of knowledge of genetics tends to show that evolution is not actually possible as man thinks of it. Genetic defects may be recessive, but they are still there, are not healed, and appear in the reproductive process.
In truth, it was Warren Zevon who first interested me in the concept of entropy. From his 1989 song “Run Straight Down”
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Aloysium
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A better guy to quote.
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IWantGod
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I guess this was God’s idea of a joke? I mean…it just couldn’t have been the misfortune of Evolution. Lol
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edwest211
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No, a lack of knowledge is a lack of knowledge. Although this topic does require a lot of creative interpretation.
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edwest211
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Jimmy Durante? Why do Koala Bears eat from Eucalyptus trees? Who told them which tree was which?
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Techno2000
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What was the first animal evolution produced that had eyeballs to see with ?
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Kei
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The structure of the eye is actually very interesting.
If you compare it to other eyes without blind spots, you’ll notice a pattern, that being that those without it are under water where the sun doesn’t shine as strongly.
If we were to do what so many wish we did with our eyes to avoid blind spots if they were to design them, then an issue would become clear, and so would the reason for the eye’s current model: they’d go blind or receive damage to their sight when they step out into sunlight due to a denial of sufficient regeneration by the RPE.
"Although the visual apparatus cannot detect high energy wavelengths, it is still affected by them, since the entire system is exposed to the full spectrum. In contrast, the rest of the body is protected from high energy light by pigment (melanin) in the skin. Even so, a lifetime exposure of the skin cells to this light can result in DNA damage, which may lead to the development of cancers. The eye contains a special layer of cells, the Retinal Pigment Epithelium (RPE), which has complex mechanisms for dealing with toxic molecules and free radicals produced by the action of light. Specific enzymes such as the superoxide dismutases, catalases, and peroxidases are present to eliminate potentially harmful molecules such as superoxide and hydrogen peroxide. Antioxidants such as a-tocopherol (vitamin E) and ascorbic acid (vitamin C) are available to reduce oxidative damage.
Because of continuous damage caused by light, the discs (along with the photopigments) of the photoreceptor cells are continuously replaced by the RPE. If this were not the case, the photoreceptors would quickly accumulate fatal defects that would prohibit their function. In addition, the RPE cells contain the pigment melanin, which absorbs stray and scattered light to improve visual acuity. The RPE is in contact with the choroid layer, which contains a very large capillary bed, which has the largest blood flow per gram of any tissue in the body. Why is the blood flow so high in the choroid? Since the RPE and photoreceptor cells are in constant regeneration, they require a high rate of exchange of oxygen and nutrients. In addition, it appears that the high rate of blood flow is required to remove heat from the retina to prevent damage resulting from focused light (the old magnifying glass in the Sun phenomenon)."
Meanwhile, if you look at the actual damage this blind spot does…you don’t even notice it, and without being informed of it, most people wouldn’t know they had it.
If you compare it to other eyes without blind spots, you’ll notice a pattern, that being that those without it are under water where the sun doesn’t shine as strongly.
If we were to do what so many wish we did with our eyes to avoid blind spots if they were to design them, then an issue would become clear, and so would the reason for the eye’s current model: they’d go blind or receive damage to their sight when they step out into sunlight due to a denial of sufficient regeneration by the RPE.
"Although the visual apparatus cannot detect high energy wavelengths, it is still affected by them, since the entire system is exposed to the full spectrum. In contrast, the rest of the body is protected from high energy light by pigment (melanin) in the skin. Even so, a lifetime exposure of the skin cells to this light can result in DNA damage, which may lead to the development of cancers. The eye contains a special layer of cells, the Retinal Pigment Epithelium (RPE), which has complex mechanisms for dealing with toxic molecules and free radicals produced by the action of light. Specific enzymes such as the superoxide dismutases, catalases, and peroxidases are present to eliminate potentially harmful molecules such as superoxide and hydrogen peroxide. Antioxidants such as a-tocopherol (vitamin E) and ascorbic acid (vitamin C) are available to reduce oxidative damage.
Because of continuous damage caused by light, the discs (along with the photopigments) of the photoreceptor cells are continuously replaced by the RPE. If this were not the case, the photoreceptors would quickly accumulate fatal defects that would prohibit their function. In addition, the RPE cells contain the pigment melanin, which absorbs stray and scattered light to improve visual acuity. The RPE is in contact with the choroid layer, which contains a very large capillary bed, which has the largest blood flow per gram of any tissue in the body. Why is the blood flow so high in the choroid? Since the RPE and photoreceptor cells are in constant regeneration, they require a high rate of exchange of oxygen and nutrients. In addition, it appears that the high rate of blood flow is required to remove heat from the retina to prevent damage resulting from focused light (the old magnifying glass in the Sun phenomenon)."
Meanwhile, if you look at the actual damage this blind spot does…you don’t even notice it, and without being informed of it, most people wouldn’t know they had it.
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HelenRose
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I don’t know. I don’t even know why I replied in the first place. It is been hashed and rehashed so many times. There are no new argument for or against this debate. A person either accepts or rejects this theory according to their own private opinions. Me included. My advice to you is to drop it yourself. You are just wasting your time. There are to many more worthwhile ideas to explore.
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edwest211
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People are free to waste their time if they wish. I don’t recommend it.
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rossum
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Either a fish or possibly a Cephalopod mollusc. Do you count the Nautilus’ eye, which is spherical, but doesn’t have a lens as an “eyeball”?
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