Is Darwin's Theory Of Evolution True? Part Two

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Yours would but polygenism is assumed
And it’s a rational assumption for science to make. It is rational for science to assume no man can rise from the dead. How much science regarding the mortality of the body do you reject because Jesus rose, because God can work miracles?
 
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Yours would but polygenism is assumed
And it’s a rational assumption for science to make. It is rational for science to assume no man can rise from the dead. How much science regarding the mortality of the body do you reject because Jesus rose, because God can work miracles?
Creation is a miracle - all of this, wondrous. We don’t seem to see what’s in front of us for reasons that Genesis actually explains.

The mortality as such, of the body is too abstract a concept for it to be an area of scientific study. The question might be better stated in terms of what medicine tries to understand. We don’t reject what it discovers about disease processes because Jesus healed us of our physical, psychological and especially our spiritual disorder. It brings to light His power and provides proof that He is who He said He is, what happens when we grow away from Him and that He will do what He has promised.

Medical research has investigated the effect of radiation on organic matter. Specifically we can know the odds of x-rays having an effect on genetic material. We know that there is no truly safe level because the impact on the structure of such complex molecules is universally deleterious. Likewise, retrospective studies have shown there is no safe level for alcohol for a growing child within its mother’s womb; so women are counseled not to drink if there is a chance that they might be pregnant. It’s the same for medication although no one is prepared to do double blind studies on pregnant women, except in third world countries in certain questionable instances. We have statistics on the genetics and other causes of congenital abnormalities. What we do know for sure is that random mutations are bad for living organisms. There are multinational corporations working very hard on the genetic engineering of crops, and the work is quite precise to produce those designer genes.

There is no real possibility, outside the imagination, of a purely physically caused increase in complexity such as that seen between prokaryotes and eukaryotes, organisms which reproduce asexually and those that do so through the sharing of gametes, between single-celled creatures and those possessing tissues of specialized cells working in harmony, between plants and animals, between those with different physical forms and instincts such as an ant and an elephant. There being no chance that such phenomena are possible through the haphazard activity of matter, natural selection does not even enter into the picture. That is of course, unless there has been the direct intervention of a Designer to produce the organism.

What I’m getting at is that the research is quite clear about the impact of “random” mutations, those that occur in a haphazard manner due to noise or flaws in the system, or through the influence of external physical agents. The question that I would ask is how much science would someone reject because, in the face of the obvious a growing complexity in nature that has no physical explanation, they refuse to acknowledge the work of a Creator?
 
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This is not true. The Church has never said that physical biological life in a human is impossible with the simultaneous presence of a soul. You’re just making things up
The Catechism of the Catholic church says otherwise.
CCC 362 through 368 makes very clear that the soul is what animates the body.

I did not make it up.
 
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This is not true. The Church has never said that physical biological life in a human is impossible with the simultaneous presence of a soul. You’re just making things up
The Catechism of the Catholic church says otherwise.
CCC 362 through 368 makes very clear that the soul is what animates the body.

I did not make it up.
I just read it again. “Animate” does not mean just biological life. The Church does not even say when the soul is created. Some say at conception. Some say at “quickening”.
 
It’s no bother. I sense others are interested. At any rate, I enjoy what comes to mind.

TLDNR - the last sentence, a reworking of your question, may summarize what I was trying to get at.
 
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science needs to be relevant to the needs of society, in which case other perspectives on what the fossil record and genetics mean should also be introduced. What evolution is trying to explain has to do with our origins and therefore who we are, which is then tied to the meaning of existence and which choices we make. That’s all it does. It doesn’t help build a better computer, doesn’t help cure disease; it doesn’t do anything of practical value. Where people claim it does, a quick analysis demonstrates that it is the primary data that does that, not the story of ape to mankind.
Exactly. For example, on a different forum I visit, a certain professional biologist claimed that “common descent” is very useful in developing certain vaccines. I asked him to elaborate and he explained that there are genetic similarities between humans and certain non-human creatures that prove useful in developing vaccines - since these genetic similarities are “evidence” of common descent, he claimed common descent is useful in developing vaccines. So I pointed out to this biologist that his argument is false and misleading - it is the genetic similarities that are useful, not the conclusion (of common descent) drawn from those genetic similarities. He was conflating useful facts with a useless conclusion based on those facts.

But such is the sophistry that evolutionist’s often employ. Some of these folks are so indoctrinated with erroneous “common descent” arguments like this that they don’t realize that they are in fact erroneous. They just mindlessly regurgitate these falsehoods because that’s what they’ve been taught (brainwashed with) at university and they’ve had no reason to question it.
 
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My Catholic education taught the Faith. It also taught evolution.
I remember one of my high school teachers - a nun - telling us, “They lied to us - we weren’t created, we evolved.” A couple of years later she left her order. Evolution claimed another victim …
 
Would that be a reference to a literalist interpretation of Genesis? Not something which the Church advocates.
Which just goes to show how thoroughly the Church has been deceived and intimidated by Scientism. Thankfully, the Holy Spirit has ensured that the Church will always teach that the faithful are free to believe in a literal interpretation of Genesis.
 
Your ignorance of evolution is showing again, buffalo. Look up the words “Natural Selection”, which is not blind unguided chance.
More Darwinist sophistry. However, true theistic evolution says God actively guided evolution to produce what God planned.
 
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There are quite a few here who do not think we should challenge the science status quo. It is beyond reason why they are clutching so hard to a past paradigm. What do you think is the reason?
One reason could be that the cult of evolution has done a very good job of brainwashing folks into believing a false story. And I suspect that many Catholic evolutionists have a problem accepting some miracles - they much prefer “scientifc” explanations for things (such as creation), which is really a symptom of Scientism.
 
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I remember one of my high school teachers - a nun - telling us, “They lied to us - we weren’t created, we evolved.” A couple of years later she left her order. Evolution claimed another victim …
Poppycock. That’s like saying Dawkins says science requires there be no God so it must be true. You fail to distinguish science from statements about it.
 
When genetics finally proves that macroevolution is impossible, all those Church leaders who supported it are going to look like real fools.
 
all those Church leaders who supported it are going to look like real fools.
Supported it? You mean accepted it? Why would they look like fools? There is a great deal of evidence for millions of years of life on earth, for mutations, natural selection and so forth.
 
Lots of posts. I didn’t read them all. But here is a quote:

It can therefore be said that, from the viewpoint of the doctrine of the faith, there are no difficulites in explaining the origin of man, in regard to the body, by means of the theory of evolution.

Pope John Paul II
Yes even the Elect will be deceived.
 
It is rational for science to assume no man can rise from the dead.
Based on thousands of years of intensive animal and plant breeding by humans, it is rational for science to assume that dogs can’t evolve into non-dogs, cows can’t evolve into non-cows and corn can’t evolve into non-corn.
 
Supported it? You mean accepted it? Why would they look like fools? There is a great deal of evidence for millions of years of life on earth, for mutations, natural selection and so forth.
No one dounts the reality of mutations and natural selection. As for “a grat deal of evidence for millions of years of life on earth”, you are relying on the opinion of scientists whose starting point for reality is that all life evolved from microbes.
 
Lots of posts. I didn’t read them all. But here is a quote:

It can therefore be said that, from the viewpoint of the doctrine of the faith, there are no difficulites in explaining the origin of man, in regard to the body, by means of the theory of evolution.

Pope John Paul II
I believe he was in error (just as some paragraphs in the Catechism are in error re evolution and Genesis).

During the Arian heresy, about 90% of Catholic bishops believed that Jesus was not God. The moral of the story is, Church leaders can get theology very wrong. I believe that one day the Church will infallibly declare that Adam, at least, did not evolve from a pre-existeng creature, but was created in an instant from inanimate matter.
 
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