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Spyridon
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Adam and Eves parents are God.
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edwest211
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Exactly right, according to science. But the Church tells us otherwise.
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edwest211
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The disconnect occurs when looking at what science tells us and what the Church tells us. What the Church tells us about human origins is rejected by some. That’s the issue, for Christians at least.
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edwest211
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This is not my opinion but something the Church, which has been given the task of interpreting the Bible correctly, tells Catholics.
"Adam and Eve: Real People
"It is equally impermissible to dismiss the story of Adam and Eve and the fall (Gen. 2–3) as a fiction. A question often raised in this context is whether the human race descended from an original pair of two human beings (a teaching known as monogenism) or a pool of early human couples (a teaching known as polygenism).
"In this regard, Pope Pius XII stated: “When, however, there is question of another conjectural opinion, namely polygenism, the children of the Church by no means enjoy such liberty. For the faithful cannot embrace that opinion which maintains either that after Adam there existed on this earth true men who did not take their origin through natural generation from him as from the first parents of all, or that Adam represents a certain number of first parents. Now, it is in no way apparent how such an opinion can be reconciled that which the sources of revealed truth and the documents of the teaching authority of the Church proposed with regard to original sin which proceeds from a sin actually committed by an individual Adam in which through generation is passed onto all and is in everyone as his own” (Humani Generis 37).
“The story of the creation and fall of man is a true one, even if not written entirely according to modern literary techniques. The Catechism states, “The account of the fall in Genesis 3 uses figurative language, but affirms a primeval event, a deed that took place at the beginning of the history of man. Revelation gives us the certainty of faith that the whole of human history is marked by the original fault freely committed by our first parents” (CCC 390).”
"Adam and Eve: Real People
"It is equally impermissible to dismiss the story of Adam and Eve and the fall (Gen. 2–3) as a fiction. A question often raised in this context is whether the human race descended from an original pair of two human beings (a teaching known as monogenism) or a pool of early human couples (a teaching known as polygenism).
"In this regard, Pope Pius XII stated: “When, however, there is question of another conjectural opinion, namely polygenism, the children of the Church by no means enjoy such liberty. For the faithful cannot embrace that opinion which maintains either that after Adam there existed on this earth true men who did not take their origin through natural generation from him as from the first parents of all, or that Adam represents a certain number of first parents. Now, it is in no way apparent how such an opinion can be reconciled that which the sources of revealed truth and the documents of the teaching authority of the Church proposed with regard to original sin which proceeds from a sin actually committed by an individual Adam in which through generation is passed onto all and is in everyone as his own” (Humani Generis 37).
“The story of the creation and fall of man is a true one, even if not written entirely according to modern literary techniques. The Catechism states, “The account of the fall in Genesis 3 uses figurative language, but affirms a primeval event, a deed that took place at the beginning of the history of man. Revelation gives us the certainty of faith that the whole of human history is marked by the original fault freely committed by our first parents” (CCC 390).”
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edwest211
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I wish it were true, but there is an impenetrable wall between science and Church teaching. Cooperation, for some, is not worth even considering.
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edwest211
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With all due respect, we are not Jewish. Catholics, at least some of us, accept Church teaching regarding this subject.
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benjamin1973
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Real people, and their first sons married. . . who?
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Aloysium
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An ancestor is generally considered a person to whom one is remotely related through a direct lineage of parent and child.
In terms of the teachings of the Church, God “from one ancestor made all nations to inhabit the whole earth”, and it is because of this common origin that we form a unity, one humanity that has been separated from one another as we are within ourselves, because of sin. We are not produced by our parents, but created immediately by God as an immortal spirit, to become one again with the body at the final Resurrection. That is the reality of our existence as a spiritual-material unity.
Great-to-the-billionth-power-granddad SpongeBob-NoBum, the usurper to the human crown of creation, has been installed into the position of earliest ancestor by a collection of spiritual anarchists, naturalists, pantheists and even honest Catholics, who either obsequiously or through ignorance follow suit. Creationism can be so embarrassing. Such a faux pas. Such thinking is not entertained in perhaps not so polite, but definitely intelligent society.
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Mankind was created new and different from every other creature, the only one with the capacity to know God.
How has evolutionary theory ever brought anyone closer to God, the ultimate purpose of life? The only way that that can happen is through the recognition of its absurdity in actually teasing out what it really signifies, and then moving on within one’s relationship with God, opening oneself to His graces. We don’t all need to know the ins and outs of how we got there; the issue then is who we are to trust.
In terms of the teachings of the Church, God “from one ancestor made all nations to inhabit the whole earth”, and it is because of this common origin that we form a unity, one humanity that has been separated from one another as we are within ourselves, because of sin. We are not produced by our parents, but created immediately by God as an immortal spirit, to become one again with the body at the final Resurrection. That is the reality of our existence as a spiritual-material unity.
Great-to-the-billionth-power-granddad SpongeBob-NoBum, the usurper to the human crown of creation, has been installed into the position of earliest ancestor by a collection of spiritual anarchists, naturalists, pantheists and even honest Catholics, who either obsequiously or through ignorance follow suit. Creationism can be so embarrassing. Such a faux pas. Such thinking is not entertained in perhaps not so polite, but definitely intelligent society.
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Mankind was created new and different from every other creature, the only one with the capacity to know God.
How has evolutionary theory ever brought anyone closer to God, the ultimate purpose of life? The only way that that can happen is through the recognition of its absurdity in actually teasing out what it really signifies, and then moving on within one’s relationship with God, opening oneself to His graces. We don’t all need to know the ins and outs of how we got there; the issue then is who we are to trust.
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edwest211
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Trust. Isn’t that the truth. Years of compromise in science and the ongoing teaching of a philosophy under the guise of evolutionary theory, has brought us here. Catholics already know the truth. Science is a business, no matter which lab or university or government agency works on it or gets involved with it.
This is about selling an idea. Scientists are, in some cases, unwitting pawns. Most are just people with highly specialized jobs who have to pay the bills like the rest of us. Others are actively working against the Church.
This is about selling an idea. Scientists are, in some cases, unwitting pawns. Most are just people with highly specialized jobs who have to pay the bills like the rest of us. Others are actively working against the Church.
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Metis1
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Some just don’t seem willing to understand that the CC does not forbid the acceptance of evolution as long as it is understood that God was behind it all. For just one example that one could easily research, see here: Do Catholics believe in evolution? | U.S. Catholic
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Aloysium
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Please, seriously, show me how that works. The article you link says nothing tangible, just another what if. This isn’t a challenge. I want to know how you think we came into existence as we are. Give me the headlines and I will provide the questions to lead us there.
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Sisters. Unless there are some other compatible species not mentioned in scripture.
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Aloysium
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It’s a social institution that is all about economics, power, and honour. On the most sumblime level it is a repository of human knowledge, much of it gleaned by people deeply in love with the mysteries of creation. However, with ignorance inherent in the human condition, it is also contaminated by half-truths, illusions and outright lies. As in the parable of the Wheat and the Tares, some of us have let them grow, eventually to have had the good grace to separate the Truth from that which would strangle it. Where decades ago there were visions of apes naturally morphing into mankind, I no longer honestly “know” how God created us. But, that He did and that He is always with us is a certainy.
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Aloysium
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Which in a group with perfect genetics, living many centuries, capable of having children, totally makes sense.
LeafByNiggle
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It is illuminating that the only way you can deny the findings of science is to tear down the whole field, ascribing bad motives and corrupting influences to explain away what they say. This is a variant of the ad hominem fallacy. To attack what the scientists say you have to attack their integrity or their competence. It is uncharitable to attack their integrity without substantial evidence (not to mention that your claim is extraordinary, requiring extraordinary proof), and it beyond your competence to attack their competence, unless you are equally qualified so as to be criticizing your peers.
There is all to much of this going around these days
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edwest211
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“tear down the whole field”? Reread my post. Science is a business. That is a fact. No money, no output. That is a fact. Who decides what gets funded? I’m not relying on myself for proof. I never said they were not competent.
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