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Techno2000
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I bet that was big relief for you.
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Glark
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I started counting the myriad of ways the theory that all life on earth evolved for microbes has advanced science and I got to … zero.
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Glark
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Then how do you explain the existence of Batman and Catwoman? (btw, where is Cat-man?)
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Glark
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To the person who doesn’t believe that God can perform miracles, a so-called scientific explanation is required.
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Glark
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Is God an intelligent designer?
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Glark
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Soft tissue lasting 68 million years - that sounds just a tad far-fetched.
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Techno2000
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and far-stretched :crazy_face:LeafByNiggle:
Soft tissue lasting 68 million years - that sounds just a tad far-fetched.
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IWantGod
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Oh…i believe in miracles. I just don’t believe in a God who does things for no reason. Plus my God is all powerful. Your God is limited to the role of a designer or mechanic, tweaking a system that wasn’t sufficient enough to do the job. The guy your talking about sounds more like Zeus than Yahweh.
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LeafByNiggle
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What qualifies you to assess all the advancements in science? Are you some super microbiologist or something? I would not pretend to claim my knowledge of a field gleaned from reading “Popular Science” was sufficient to make this assessment.edwest211:
I started counting the myriad of ways the theory that all life on earth evolved for microbes has advanced science and I got to … zero.
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That isn’t all the theory of Intelligent Design claims. The theory claims that God was so sloppy in His execution of creation that He couldn’t do it and remain consistent within the rules He had established for how the physical world works. I believe God is not that sloppy and is able to cover His tracks so that no inconsistency remains.
But apparently not impossible. Carbon dating shows the bones are still 65+ million years old.LeafByNiggle:
Soft tissue lasting 68 million years - that sounds just a tad far-fetched.
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Aloysium
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You mean what would have turned out to be Homo chiropterensis and Homo felidae, had they been more fit? And, no there’s no catman, nor kittenkids for that reason. Where they do exist is in the mind that created the Homo sapiens story. I can’t say how God made us, but there are other stories that fit the data, some much better than evolution, and are in keeping with the truth, where it is not.Aloysium:
Then how do you explain the existence of Batman and Catwoman? (btw, where is Cat-man?)
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Techno2000
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Carbon dating is only accurate to about 50,000 years.Glark:
That isn’t all the theory of Intelligent Design claims. The theory claims that God was so sloppy in His execution of creation that He couldn’t do it and remain consistent within the rules He had established for how the physical world works. I believe God is not that sloppy and is able to cover His tracks so that no inconsistency remains.
But apparently not impossible. Carbon dating shows the bones are still 65+ million years old.LeafByNiggle:
Soft tissue lasting 68 million years - that sounds just a tad far-fetched.
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Aloysium
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Interesting story. I’m not sure I would subscribe to it. But, it is closer to the truth than is evolution, by virtue of your closing statement.
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Then why would you suggest the possibility that God created earth in such a way as to make the world look like something other than it really is?
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For longer time spans they use “igneous brackets” as described here.
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It is know soft tissue cannot survive thousands of years let alone 68 million. But of course it had to, because we know the dino’s are 68 million years old. Why? Because the rock layer they are found in. So the guesstimate of the age of the rock layers trump RC dating. hmmmm Date the bones not the rocks.
Do you believe a universal probability bound exists?
Do you believe a universal probability bound exists?
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buffalo
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Right, because we know it has to be that old. Yet no known mechanism accounts for this ability.
Now that they are cutting more bones more soft tissue is being found. They RC dated some to 28000 years ago.
Now that they are cutting more bones more soft tissue is being found. They RC dated some to 28000 years ago.
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Here is my two cents on the matter. Very long two page post, hopefully worthwhile for those who bother:
Time is a function of our finite existence. It is our spirit’s participation within creation that creates the past-present-future that reveals our free will, fixing what was, here and now, and looking towards what will be along our Way, in and to God. As persons with a central nervous system, we experience the passage of time in the journey, that is our life. Before we were here, who experienced time? What is time to eternal Being? How is the smallest portion of a second any different than ten billion years to God, who has all eternity to witness our final prayers? I believe it was in the previous thread that I speculated about what is God’s day.
I don’t believe the universe suddenly appeared but was created and brought together into its current form. This moulding of the mountains, before that the solar system, and the galaxies, happened but outside time as it is known through our being in life. Whatever the truly objective reality that it is in itself, whether it is a whole, as we are, being persons, the earth as we know it, is the relationship we have with God’s creation. It could be ten thousand years old, if that’s how long we, as humanity, have been here. I don’t know and the data we have is always interpreted in accordance with what we believe.
The entire universe can be said to be alive. Atoms and molecules are forms of being. They are incorporated into more complex forms of being - organisms. Plants are whole in themselves, having a physical structure made up of cells, which in turn are understood as a pretty close to infinitely complex interaction of the physical forces that define the physical universe. Animals are one step “higher” in the sense that they are more complex and have instinctual perceptions, behaviour and feelings included in the wholeness that is their individual being. And then, here we are, capable of a relationship with our Creator.
Poster Techno somewhere above, noted how there exists a mutual relationship between creatures and their environment. The food has to be there for a creature to grow and procreate. It has to be able to accept the new life form. But, the environment, viewed as a material event (a configuration of the four fundamental forces of nature) is blind. It has to be fashioned in preparation for the life that only then can appear and grow. That is what God did in bringing this all into being from nothing. He created the vast spaces and times that reveal themselves in our relationship with the universe, the earliest creatures that would then be food for those which followed, in successive acts of creation - the circle of life whereby it sacrifices itself to itself, thereby growing and maintained in its diversity.
Time is a function of our finite existence. It is our spirit’s participation within creation that creates the past-present-future that reveals our free will, fixing what was, here and now, and looking towards what will be along our Way, in and to God. As persons with a central nervous system, we experience the passage of time in the journey, that is our life. Before we were here, who experienced time? What is time to eternal Being? How is the smallest portion of a second any different than ten billion years to God, who has all eternity to witness our final prayers? I believe it was in the previous thread that I speculated about what is God’s day.
I don’t believe the universe suddenly appeared but was created and brought together into its current form. This moulding of the mountains, before that the solar system, and the galaxies, happened but outside time as it is known through our being in life. Whatever the truly objective reality that it is in itself, whether it is a whole, as we are, being persons, the earth as we know it, is the relationship we have with God’s creation. It could be ten thousand years old, if that’s how long we, as humanity, have been here. I don’t know and the data we have is always interpreted in accordance with what we believe.
The entire universe can be said to be alive. Atoms and molecules are forms of being. They are incorporated into more complex forms of being - organisms. Plants are whole in themselves, having a physical structure made up of cells, which in turn are understood as a pretty close to infinitely complex interaction of the physical forces that define the physical universe. Animals are one step “higher” in the sense that they are more complex and have instinctual perceptions, behaviour and feelings included in the wholeness that is their individual being. And then, here we are, capable of a relationship with our Creator.
Poster Techno somewhere above, noted how there exists a mutual relationship between creatures and their environment. The food has to be there for a creature to grow and procreate. It has to be able to accept the new life form. But, the environment, viewed as a material event (a configuration of the four fundamental forces of nature) is blind. It has to be fashioned in preparation for the life that only then can appear and grow. That is what God did in bringing this all into being from nothing. He created the vast spaces and times that reveal themselves in our relationship with the universe, the earliest creatures that would then be food for those which followed, in successive acts of creation - the circle of life whereby it sacrifices itself to itself, thereby growing and maintained in its diversity.
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Aloysium
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There’s a fully functioning earth, when we are brought into existence utilizing available matter as the information by which our bodies were formed in Adam. As the first human being, he contained all that is required to bring into existence humanity - our basic bodily form, mathematics, science, philosophy, economics, and so forth. I am intrigued by the article Buffalo posted some days ago regarding phenotypic diversity being the result of genome deletion. The story now would be that as the information is passed forward through successive generation, it changes. Where Adam might be compared to the original one-celled zygote from which we developed, each new human being at conception would be like a stem cell. With time mutations set in, and we would gradually see a potential decline in humanity, if permitted by God.
So, no true evolution. Things like the mind don’t just happen, and especially do not result from merely the interactions occurring in simpler forms of being, which are the physical structure of the organism - atoms. The structure is given from above. While I cannot dispute the rather trivial, but central tenet of Evolutionary Theory that things that survive, survive (aka natural selection), there is far more to how we got here than our parents having survived to where they could be at the right place, at the right time.
Aloysium’s theory gets even weirder though. Just a hint, I believe this entire universe came about from one point, where Christ became man - the past, present, and future, from the beginning to the end, it all emerged when we rejected Him - from the initial garden scene to the final judgement, Christ at the Centre of all. A different universe, one without the suffering we now endure, would have happened had we chosen not to sin. That’s another story in the making.
So, no true evolution. Things like the mind don’t just happen, and especially do not result from merely the interactions occurring in simpler forms of being, which are the physical structure of the organism - atoms. The structure is given from above. While I cannot dispute the rather trivial, but central tenet of Evolutionary Theory that things that survive, survive (aka natural selection), there is far more to how we got here than our parents having survived to where they could be at the right place, at the right time.
Aloysium’s theory gets even weirder though. Just a hint, I believe this entire universe came about from one point, where Christ became man - the past, present, and future, from the beginning to the end, it all emerged when we rejected Him - from the initial garden scene to the final judgement, Christ at the Centre of all. A different universe, one without the suffering we now endure, would have happened had we chosen not to sin. That’s another story in the making.
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