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tonyrey
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Thanks for those references, Ed. It’s already 1.30 am here and at this rate I won’t get any sleep tonight - not because I’m afraid but because I have so much to read.
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tonyrey
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Thanks for those references, Josie. I’m overwhelmed with information.
God bless you too - in the midst of all this devilry!
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Solmyr
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Does anyone of you have a good evocation spell that will definitely grab a demon by its “neck” and make it manifest itself? If you do, present it. Don’t tell me about the “dangers”. I am willing to take the “risk”…
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tonyrey
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By definition a demon is intangible like the mind, thoughts, choices, decisions, plans, purposes, dreams, nightmares, hopes, ambitions, principles, theories, fallacies,beliefs, inspirations, temptations, propositions, explanations, etc… You underestimate the power and the richness of psychological activity which far exceeds that of the lump of tissue inside the skull.
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Micosil
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You need to remember that demons (fallen angels) are entities with a will and an intellect; if they don’t want to manifest of their own will (unless compelled to by a higher power, such as a more powerful demon, or even God), they generally won’t.
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tonyrey
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Of course there are many more examples of intangible situations, occasions, divisions, tensions, classifications, identifications, justifications, complications, communications., contradictions, suppositions, aspersions, versions, reversions, aversions, adversions, contraversions, inversions, subversions, extraversions, introversions, conversions, diversions and perversions, many of which existed or occurred before homo sapiens appeared on this planet…
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Solmyr
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And yet, there are things like the ouija board which are supposedly “dangerous”, because they will invoke some “demons”. There are the exorcists, who are (allegedly) able to “convince” demons to leave alone the afflicted. How do they “know” that there is a demon to be exorcised and how do they know that exorcism was successful? Is there some objective method to determine the presence or absence of these “demons”? Maybe the smell of “brimstone”?
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Joelle_M
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Ouija boards are dangerous because they involve people trying to make contact with the deceased. To more simply explain it- we absolutely can’t contact the deceased. They are beyond our reach because God forbids it. When we call on the spirit world using a ouija board- or any other psychic method- if we actually get an answer back- it isn’t from our loved one. The demonic is the one to answer that call. They know things about us and our loved ones that are deceased, and they can easily fool us into believing it’s them. A haunting is a different story- if someone is being haunted by what seems to be a non malevolent spirit- it is more likely to be a soul in Purgatory asking for prayers to be released.
As for exorcisms- they are not something that is taken on lightly. An exorcist will always send the person on to a trained psychologist first to ensure it isn’t a mental issue first, it would be a trained professional that is trusted by said exorcist- every possible avenue would be investigated before deciding an exorcism is necessary.
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tonyrey
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Ever heard of “evil”? Or is that also a fantasy?
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Solmyr
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Ah, so there is a way to get one of those suckers to manifest itself?
How, precisely? Do they still offer you a Faustian “bargain”, some good stuff for your “soul”?That was not the question. HOW does the exorcist find out IF there is a “demon” lurking in one of the dusty corners of the house or took over a person, or some animal? HOW does he know that the “demon” is gone? So many questions, and no answers.
“Evil” as an entity, yes, it is a fantasy. “Evil” as a behavior is - unfortunately - not. But there is no reason to assume that evil behavior comes from some “demonic” possession.Ever heard of “evil”? Or is that also a fantasy?
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Solmyr
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Ah, so there is a way to get one of those suckers to manifest itself?
How, precisely? Do they still offer you a Faustian “bargain”, some good stuff for your “soul”?That was not the question. HOW does the exorcist find out IF there is a “demon” lurking in one of the dusty corners of the house or took over a person, or some animal? HOW does he know that the “demon” is gone? So many questions, and no answers.
“Evil” as an entity, yes, it is a fantasy. “Evil” as a behavior is - unfortunately - not. But there is no reason to assume that evil behavior comes from some “demonic” possession.Ever heard of “evil”? Or is that also a fantasy?
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Micosil
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There are situations to which it seems demons are more attracted to. What precisely these situations are, I am not going to reveal here. If you must search online, you do so at your own risk.Ah, so there is a way to get one of those suckers to manifest itself?
From what I understand, if certain prayers (mostly said in Latin) are recited and the manifestation ends, it is often assumed that the demon is gone. This book by Fr. José Antonio Fortea details answers to questions such as that.
Evil, sinful behavior obviously doesn’t need demons per se; nevertheless, by themselves they’re capable of doing it.
I know skepticism and dismissal of these things is the most natural thing one can do, since angels, fallen or not, are spiritual and eyes can’t “see” the spiritual … but let me finish off by saying, there are more things in heaven and earth, Solmyr, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
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Joelle_M
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I’m honestly not comfortable having this conversation with you. Not to be rude- in any way- but your earlier comments stating an interest in attempting to make contact with a demon is disressing to me. I realize you’re a skeptic… that’s obvious… but I am not (i’m sure i’ve made that clear). Rather than give you an instruction manual- I’ll leave you with this: I will pray for you tonight. I’ll pray that God opens your eyes to show you the real danger you put yourself in by opening yourself up like this. You make jokes about something you have no way of understanding… of something that is perhaps the scariest thing anyone can possibly encounter. I wouldn’t wish that on anyone.
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Micosil
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I totally agree. As I said to Solmyr before, if he wishes to investigate these issues further, he does so at his own risk.
Demons don’t really care if you’re a believer or not; the fact that you’re a human being made in the image and likeness of God who has a chance for salvation unlike them, means you’re fair game if you unwittingly decide to lock horns with one.
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tonyrey
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I don’t believe restricting oneself to physical phenomena is natural for a person because we transcend nature with our power of reason, self-control and moral judgment. We don’t treat others as animals if we have a civilised view of humanity…
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tonyrey
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Where does it come from? And what distinguishes good from evil?
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Robert_Sock
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We are all possessed at least to some degree. True, not all of us go around doing extreme evil like in a mass shooting, but there is something about all of us that causes us to commit “folly.”
Just look at a person who suffers from uncontrollable anger. Where do such states come from if not Satan?
Just look at a person who suffers from uncontrollable anger. Where do such states come from if not Satan?
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Dorothy
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I believe the word is “deliverance”, as the word “possessed” is extreme.
Those bad states are influenced by the temptations of satan. The person would have had to freely begin the bad habit of anger, and unchecked it grew to be “uncontrollable” anger. And the grace of God called upon daily can correct that.
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Vivian42
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For me the only thing terrifying about them is their intelligence and knowledge. I know it can be used against a human quite easily but everyone seems to react strongly against wild behavior (like growling and other wonderful things). That’s not terrifying unless done by a lion that can actually eat you.
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tonyrey
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I think the most terrifying thing about them is the fact that they exist and can tempt anyone, even Our Lord. If we take note of St Peter’s warning they are indeed like lions in their power to lead us astray if we become complacent and think we’re immune…
Regardless of religion it amounts to believing in the distinction between good and evil - and we are not the only forms of life in the whole of Creation. The power of malevolence is not something we can write off easily…
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