Is fiscal conservatism not Christian?

[stinkcat_14]

If they produce drugs and oil and IF their revenues are higher than their expenses, then the difference is their profit.

While certainly there is huge risk involved involved in drug research, just look at Pfizer, it’s stock is tanking because investors are worried that its pipeline of patent controlled drugs is drying up.

There is a problem in the drug research field though and that has to do with FDA approvals. When the FDA approves a new drug, it only requires the drug to demonstrate that it is more effective than the placebo, not whether the drug is more effective than what is currently available on the market.

I was talking to a dermatologist and he was telling me about a drug Solodyn, an expensive version of Minocycline. It sells for about $15 per pill. Generic minocycline is less than $1 per pill. He has no way of knowing whether the new pill is really worth $14 more per pill. Of course, the new pill has plenty of sales reps offering goodies to get doctors to prescribe it, nobody is pushing the generic though.

 

[vern_humphrey]

Vast majority of New drugs are result of Tax Payer funded University and NIH research, last time I looked. And USA Pharmaceutical Companies are Highest Profit Margins in USA, with Elderly being most lucrative customers. Know other Advanced countries have Price controls on Drugs, To Prevent Extreme profits? Know USA Law Prohibits buying loweer priced drigs, or even negotiation, except by VA? Again, far out liberal welfare protection of Very High Profits, by Law.

Can somebody **please **parse this jumble of run-on sentences and odd capitalization?

 

[vern_humphrey]

While certainly there is huge risk involved involved in drug research, just look at Pfizer, it’s stock is tanking because investors are worried that its pipeline of patent controlled drugs is drying up.

There is a problem in the drug research field though and that has to do with FDA approvals. When the FDA approves a new drug, it only requires the drug to demonstrate that it is more effective than the placebo, not whether the drug is more effective than what is currently available on the market.

I was talking to a dermatologist and he was telling me about a drug Solodyn, an expensive version of Minocycline. It sells for about $15 per pill. Generic minocycline is less than $1 per pill. He has no way of knowing whether the new pill is really worth $14 more per pill. Of course, the new pill has plenty of sales reps offering goodies to get doctors to prescribe it, nobody is pushing the generic though.

Actually, you can get data on drugs from the FDA, including those that have been approved for a long time. You can compare the effectiveness of a new drug with the track record of an existing drug.

The question is not relative effectiveness, however, but other issues. Some people can tolerate one drug, but not another. So a new drug, even if less effective than an earlier drug, may be all these people can take.

 

[stinkcat_14]

Actually, you can get data on drugs from the FDA, including those that have been approved for a long time. You can compare the effectiveness of a new drug with the track record of an existing drug.

The question is not relative effectiveness, however, but other issues. Some people can tolerate one drug, but not another. So a new drug, even if less effective than an earlier drug, may be all these people can take.

Of course, a study which gave one group the old drug and another group the new drug would tells us a lot of things, not just relative effectiveness, but who responds better to the new one, etc. The problem is, who has an incentive to fund the research that might prove that the new drug isn’t worth the extra money? The only group might be the insurance companies.

 

[vern_humphrey]

Of course, a study which gave one group the old drug and another group the new drug would tells us a lot of things, not just relative effectiveness, but who responds better to the new one, etc. The problem is, who has an incentive to fund the research that might prove that the new drug isn’t worth the extra money? The only group might be the insurance companies.

Let me point out that the study might also find that the new drug is better than the old drug – and that would be a great incentive for the developer to conduct it.

However, my point is the data is there to compare drugs if one chooses to look at it.

My secondary point is that even a less-effective drug might be what some patients need if they cannot tolerate the alternative drug.

And I might add something interesting. I recently read the results of a study on placebos. It appears there is a correlation between the effectiveness of a placebo and its cost. People respond better to a placebo if they think it’s an expensive drug.

 

[Olivermax]

All this disagreement about whether fiscal conservatism or fiscal liberalism is “more Catholic” is really not that germaine to the choice before us in November.

We have two choices that are of paramount importance to Heaven and to the fate of mankind,–shall we vote to continue the Holocaust of the Innocents or vote to end the Holocaust of the Innocents. Nothing else compares in importance or relevance.

I am convinced that, someday, Heaven will make each of us look upon the river of dead bodies, to see for ourselves the horror that we have allowed. 50 million in the US alone. The full horror of the Nazi Holocaust wasn’t realized until the rest of the world saw the pictures of it. We will have the same realization someday.

 

[Sailka]

Can somebody parse this jumble of run-on sentences and odd capitalization?

                                                                                           This Austrian Nobility WW II   Refuggee  will try to translate for  Arkansans  :)                                                                            
                                                                                          The Soviet Union, And Communism, collapsed because of  JP  II the Great,  and Lech Walesa.                                               
                                                                                           Not everything is bad in bad systems.   Both the Soviet and Russian Government  have focused on Financing the Arts,   Science, Culture, Education, for over  Century.  


                                                                                           This Non-Veteran  adminstration has focused US Armed forces on   furthering "US  Interests", not  on   protecting USA.      There are verified at Least 10 times more terrorists, and Bin Laden supporters, than Before our NO  Excuses  for Conquest of Uninvolved  with 9/11 OR   external terrorism Iraq/Saddam Hussein.             
                                                                                           And This Adminstration signing Authorization for torture of 'suspects', which has been a War Crime we signed off on.         
                                                                                           Torture was Declared   as Illegal  at the 1863 Geneva accords, as   Counterproductive and  non-productive.                                 Even Hitler didn't   torture  genuine  POW's.  

      
                                                                                           I witnessed standing room only World Premier  of The  Orthodox Christmas Oratorio  at the Basillcca of the Immaculate Conception  last December.   The  Russian Central Command   Grand Symphony Orchestra, led by Lt  Gen,   Was the Instrumental, With Russian Orthodox  Priest, 3  Russian   Young  Adult Youth Choirs,  Televised   World Wide   by EWTN. Russian TV 1, and a couple of Russian Media.                                         Anything wrong with  Governmet support of  Fine Arts, Education?                                                                                                                                                                              Ciao, Servus  (Means Laterz in other half of arKansas, !!!!)   :D

 

[vern_humphrey]

This Austrian Nobility WW II Refuggee will try to translate for Arkansans
The Soviet Union, And Communism, collapsed because of JP II the Great, and Lech Walesa.
Not everything is bad in bad systems. Both the Soviet and Russian Government have focused on Financing the Arts, Science, Culture, Education, for over Century.

                                                                                           This Non-Veteran  adminstration has focused US Armed forces on   furthering "US  Interests", not  on   protecting USA.      There are verified at Least 10 times more terrorists, and Bin Laden supporters, than Before our NO  Excuses  for Conquest of Uninvolved  with 9/11 OR   external terrorism Iraq/Saddam Hussein.             
                                                                                           And This Adminstration signing Authorization for torture of 'suspects', which has been a War Crime we signed off on.         
                                                                                           Torture was Declared   as Illegal  at the 1863 Geneva accords, as   Counterproductive and  non-productive.                                 Even Hitler didn't   torture  genuine  POW's.  

      
                                                                                           I witnessed standing room only World Premier  of The  Orthodox Christmas Oratorio  at the Basillcca of the Immaculate Conception  last December.   The  Russian Central Command   Grand Symphony Orchestra, led by Lt  Gen,   Was the Instrumental, With Russian Orthodox  Priest, 3  Russian   Young  Adult Youth Choirs,  Televised   World Wide   by EWTN. Russian TV 1, and a couple of Russian Media.                                         Anything wrong with  Governmet support of  Fine Arts, Education?                                                                                                                                                                              Ciao, Servus  (Means Laterz in other half of arKansas, !!!!)   :D

Complete gibberish.

 

[Sailka]

All this disagreement about whether fiscal conservatism or fiscal liberalism is “more Catholic” is really not that germaine to the choice before us in November.

We have two choices that are of paramount importance to Heaven and to the fate of mankind,–shall we vote to continue the Holocaust of the Innocents or vote to end the Holocaust of the Innocents. Nothing else compares in importance or relevance.

I am convinced that, someday, Heaven will make each of us look upon the river of dead bodies, to see for ourselves the horror that we have allowed. 50 million in the US alone. The full horror of the Nazi Holocaust wasn’t realized until the rest of the world saw the pictures of it. We will have the same realization someday.

The Catholic Bishop’s Conference has The Voter guide. Catholic voting should not be One Issue. And not saving the Unborn ONLY. This Administration was “pro-Life”, did Nothing to prevent 9/11, them Fallselly conquered 100% uninvolved with 9/11 Iraq, Which has caused Tens of Thousands to Die, or worse, be Wounded. This Administration Also In Writing Authorized torture of ‘suspects’, 85% of whom were Found officially by CIA/FBI/MilIntel to have no knowledge of terrorists.
My Mom voted One Issue in 1933, For Hitler, “Because he was against socialism/Communism.”[/LIST We are WW II refugees. 60 Million Born Humans died in WW II, over 100 million wounded. Born Humans, Policies Also matter.
Recent book out documents that the Holocaust, the Extermination of Jews/Mentaly Defective,Catholic and Lutheran Clergy, and 'subhumans', did not Begin until 1942, when it became clear Nazism would lose.

 

[Sailka]

Complete gibberish.

                                                                                           What part of arKansas you live in, brother?  :D                           
                                                                                           :D 

                                                                    All depends Where you At, what you have for  lunch.                    :cool:

 

[vern_humphrey]

The Catholic Bishop’s Conference has The Voter guide. Catholic voting should not be One Issue. And not saving the Unborn ONLY. This Administration was “pro-Life”, did Nothing to prevent 9/11, them Fallselly conquered 100% uninvolved with 9/11 Iraq, Which has caused Tens of Thousands to Die, or worse, be Wounded. This Administration Also In Writing Authorized torture of ‘suspects’, 85% of whom were Found officially by CIA/FBI/MilIntel to have no knowledge of terrorists.
My Mom voted One Issue in 1933, For Hitler, “Because he was against socialism/Communism.”[/LIST We are WW II refugees. 60 Million Born Humans died in WW II, over 100 million wounded. Born Humans, Policies Also matter.

                                                                                  Recent book out  documents that the Holocaust, the Extermination of Jews/Mentaly Defective,Catholic and  Lutheran Clergy, and 'subhumans', did not Begin until 1942,  when it became  clear Nazism  would lose.

You have a computer. Presumably you have a word processing program. Let me suggest you compose your posts in the word processing program and then run the spelling and grammar checker before pasting your replies here.

Also, try isolating a single idea and concentrating on that – if you want to discuss several ideas, then make several posts.

Consider if the idea is appropriate for the thread. For example, what does “World Premier of The Orthodox Christmas Oratorio at the Basillcca of the Immaculate Conception last December” have to do the question “Is fiscal conservatism not Christian?”

When you make claims like, “There are verified at Least 10 times more terrorists, and Bin Laden supporters, than Before” offer a cite – otherwise we are likely to think you just made that up.

 

[Sailka]

You have a computer. Presumably you have a word processing program. Let me suggest you compose your posts in the word processing program and then run the spelling and grammar checker before pasting your replies here.

Also, try isolating a single idea and concentrating on that – if you want to discuss several ideas, then make several posts.

Consider if the idea is appropriate for the thread. For example, what does “World Premier of The Orthodox Christmas Oratorio at the Basillcca of the Immaculate Conception last December” have to do the question “Is fiscal conservatism not Christian?”

When you make claims like, “There are verified at Least 10 times more terrorists, and Bin Laden supporters, than Before” offer a cite – otherwise we are likely to think you just made that up.

Can you loan me your WORD, brother? And the Auto WORD Disc? Am Unworded. 2003 Polling data of Muslims showed Bin Laden support went from >>>2%<<<<<<<<< Before our Iraqi conquest to 22%. And far Higher after El Graib, etc by US was revealed. Also, CIA Director Jan 2007 on TODAY show said Torture is Counterproductive,. Has increased # of terrorists. Pls excuse my authoritarian Prussian Big caps forcefullness. blame it on my genes

 

[vern_humphrey]

Can you loan me your WORD, brother? And the Auto WORD Disc? Am Unworded. 2003 Polling data of Muslims showed Bin Laden support went from >>>2%<<<<<<<<< Before our Iraqi conquest to 22%. And far Higher after El Graib, etc by US was revealed. Also, CIA Director Jan 2007 on TODAY show said Torture is Counterproductive,. Has increased # of terrorists. Pls excuse my authoritarian Prussian Big caps forcefullness. blame it on my genes

What has all this to do with the subject of this thread?

 

[Sailka]

What has all this to do with the subject of this thread?

                                                                                           :o  You  complained of my WORDing  (Which I don't have), and my Capitalizations.                                                                    
                                                                                           And other  countries have Govt's that support the Arts, Culture, Far more than 'All Business Only"   USA Govt. :D

 

[vern_humphrey]

You complained of my WORDing (Which I don’t have), and my Capitalizations.
And other countries have Govt’s that support the Arts, Culture, Far more than 'All Business Only" USA Govt.

What has all this to do with the subject of this thread?

 

[Caesar517]

Sailka, can you please get on topic? Otherwise, you can post in The Water Cooler > The Clubhouse forum. Here is a link.

 

[Sailka]

What has all this to do with the subject of this thread?

The Theme of this Thread has been that principal pupose of Govt is to Defend Property rghts, never place property and money interests under any regulation or res[ponsibility.
I have posted a few items about Govt and Wealth responsibility, which No one has answered. I gave a couple of examples of Great, low cost Govt Spending, Like Russian Central Command Grand Symphony Orchestra. Lot cheaper than even Blue Angels < THE BEST

 

[vern_humphrey]

The Theme of this Thread has been that principal pupose of Govt is to Defend Property rghts, never place property and money interests under any regulation or res[ponsibility.
I have posted a few items about Govt and Wealth responsibility, which No one has answered. I gave a couple of examples of Great, low cost Govt Spending, Like Russian Central Command Grand Symphony Orchestra. Lot cheaper than even Blue Angels < THE BEST

The theme of this topic is, “Is fiscal conservatism not Christian?”

People don’t reply to the substance of your posts because we can’t find any substance.

Out of courtesy, try to write more coherent, on-point posts.

 

[Sailka]

Sailka, can you please get on topic? Otherwise, you can post in The Water Cooler > The Clubhouse forum. Here is a link.

But brother Vern Humphrey keeps challenging my nonWORDING, and asking Ex Planations, and cocumantations. Can Anyone try to explain how This adminstration is not fiscally Far Out Liberal, Reversing historic government spending…Into Bankruptcy of USA? What is conservative about that?

 

[vern_humphrey]

But brother Vern Humphrey keeps challenging my nonWORDING, and asking Ex Planations, and cocumantations. Can Anyone try to explain how This adminstration is not fiscally Far Out Liberal, Reversing historic government spending…Into Bankruptcy of USA? What is conservative about that?

What in the name of Holy Gilhoolie are “Ex Planations, and cocumantations?”

And what has all this got to do with the subject of this thread?