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Sailka
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but brother Vern, would you Address or Factually Challenge any points I’ve Made? Instead of ‘correcting the teacher’
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Caesar517
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Your posts are unrelated to this thread. If you want someone to respond to your… ideas, all you need to do is start a new thread for yourself.
- but brother Vern, would you Address or Factually Challenge any points I’ve Made? Instead of ‘correcting the teacher’
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Sailka
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Teacher answering student questions
What kind livin do Arkansans make? Moonshine still the Best?
Can you explain how This bankrupting administration is Christian, or 'conservative'? :confused:
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Caesar517
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Sailka, you are way off topic and are violating the forum rules. You can find them here.Can you explain how This bankrupting administration is Christian, or ‘conservative’?
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Al_Masetti
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Actually, this is correct.
One party, the Democrats, make it a point of pride that they are pro-abortion … [they call it pro-choice … but what a choice!!! To choose death of innocents]
The other party, the Republicans, make it a point of pride that they are pro-life.
The choice is really quite simple.
To sweep out the Democrats in Congress and give the Republicans a large enough majority to allow pro-life judges to be appointed to the Supreme Court.
Visit www.confirmthem.com for a list of the pro-life, pro-Constitution judicial appointments that are being held up by the Liberals/Democrats in Congress.
confirmthem.com/
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Sailka
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No, am Precisely on the Mark. The Problem is blatant violation of rule 6, Not pushing an Agenda, by majority of Senior members opining (voicing an opinion, for our Arkansan friends)
The Push is that the False god of Property and wealth are everything, and Regulations and government and ‘liberals’ are the root of all evil inuendo. Are Opposite of Lord’s and Church teachings, and our Rules.Those False agendas Should be open to Correction, As have Done, and am about to Nationallly.
For instance, what has the 10 points of consevatism have to do with fiscal consevatism? Is a clearly Political agenda, based on right to life, instead of Any fiscal conservatism item. Zero such fiscal conservatism discussed, except by me.
And I have addressed those misrepresentations morally, factually, and financially.
And humorously :D Vivat Jesus, not Property or wealth or power of same
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Al_Masetti
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Fiscal conservatism means don’t spend money you don’t have.
Spending money you don’t have means 1) borrowing or 2) doing something that only governments can do … committing the sin of inflation.
Governments can only get money by taxing their citizens.
BUT, very often citizens vote down increased taxes.
So the government then often resorts to borrowing and/or inflation and/or hidden taxes.
A favorite tactic is to vote for hidden taxes that don’t take effect for several years.
Inflation is also a hidden tax; sometimes it is called the inflation tax.
Our Federal Government tax code is 67,000 pages … deliberately designed to be incomprehensible.
Visit here:
fairtax.org/site/PageServer
And here:
freedomworks.org/informed/key_template.php?issue_it=17
Two different, alternate approaches to make taxation more understandable. Well documented with excellent discussions.
Fiscal conservatism IS Christian.
Spending money you don’t have means 1) borrowing or 2) doing something that only governments can do … committing the sin of inflation.
Governments can only get money by taxing their citizens.
BUT, very often citizens vote down increased taxes.
So the government then often resorts to borrowing and/or inflation and/or hidden taxes.
A favorite tactic is to vote for hidden taxes that don’t take effect for several years.
Inflation is also a hidden tax; sometimes it is called the inflation tax.
Our Federal Government tax code is 67,000 pages … deliberately designed to be incomprehensible.
Visit here:
fairtax.org/site/PageServer
And here:
freedomworks.org/informed/key_template.php?issue_it=17
Two different, alternate approaches to make taxation more understandable. Well documented with excellent discussions.
Fiscal conservatism IS Christian.
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peary
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SHOW ME WHERE ANYTHING POSTED BELOW CAN NOT BE COHESIVE WITH CHRISTIANITY.
What do conservatives believe? Here are 10 principles worth pondering. How are these against our Catholic Faith?
- God’s Law Governs Nations as Well as Men. The Ten Commandments should not only be enshrined in our courthouses, they should be engraved in our hearts and minds as guides to all behavior, public and private. As the Founders acknowledged in the Declaration of Independence, laws and policies that violate the natural law are abuses of government power that must be resisted and reversed.
- Life Is the First God-Given Right. It’s always wrong to deliberately take an innocent human life. When this principle is abridged, violence escalates. Thus we have aborted 47 million unborn babies in the past three decades, begun to accept euthanasia and doctor-assisted suicide, and stand at the threshold of cloning human beings for the specific purpose of killing them.
- Marriage and Family Come Before the State and Deserve Its Protection. The marriage of one man and one woman is the natural foundation of all human society, and the means by which children ought to be brought into the world and taught the basic values of our civilization. Government has a duty to recognize and protect the family and must not grant alternative relationships the same status and privileges.
- Freedom of Conscience is the Soul of Liberty.
Understanding that freedom of conscience is at the heart of liberty, the Framers protected freedom of religion and assembly in the 1st Amendment. Movements to force the Boy Scouts to accept homosexual scout masters, or to compel religious individuals or organizations to distribute birth control or abortion drugs against their beliefs, directly attack these freedoms. - Private Property is the Servant of Freedom. The more that individuals, families and businesses can acquire and control the goods necessary to sustain and advance themselves, the more autonomy they will have from the state and others who may wish to unjustly restrict their freedom. The free and responsible use of private property tends to create greater wealth and greater freedom for greater numbers of people.
- Government Dependency is the Seed of Tyranny.
The more that individuals, families and businesses are dependent on the state for the goods necessary to sustain and advance themselves, the less autonomy they will have from the state and others who may wish to unjustly restrict their freedom. This is why expanding the welfare state is bad, and Social Security personal retirement accounts, Health Savings Accounts and school choice are good. - The Constitution Means What It Says.
Believing in the God-given rights of man and understanding the imperfect nature of human beings, the Framers crafted a Constitution designed to protect the former from the latter. Many of the problems in U.S. government would be resolved if the President, Congress and Courts limited themselves and each other to the authority the Constitution actually grants them. - Taxes Are Justified Only to Fund Necessary Government Spending. A massive and complex tax code has become a powerful weapon politicians can use to pressure citizens to behave as the politicians, or the interest groups that support the politicians, wish. The correct function of taxation is to equitably collect only that revenue needed to fund the legitimate activities of a constitutionally limited government.
- National Defense Is Just That. The first duty of the federal government is to defend the American people against foreign enemies. While advancing freedom in the world is good in itself—and, where it prudently can be done, would advance the interests of the United States–ultimately, the mandate for our national leaders is to use whatever moral means they can to carve out that path in our relations with foreign powers that is most likely to lead to enhanced security, prosperity and freedom for this nation.
- We Should Strive to Give Our Children a Better Country.
America is more than just an expanse of territory or a set of laws. It is a culture, whose art, architecture, journalism, music, movies, television, schools and universities, should reflect and reinforce the traditional values that made this country great. We owe this to our children, who will build the America of tomorrow on the foundation of the America we teach them to love today.
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Sailka
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_Please see my # 250 as to why These principles are All sef centered My Property and Wealth Is Everything, Which is Opposite of what Lord, Church, and common sense teach. Nothing in these 10 ‘principles’ about Fiscal conservatism, or social Responsibility, which are Inherent Christianity.
And Government is Good. Essential for what we can’t do ourselves, like Positive Economy. Self centered Big Money people always attack and demean Government as Evil, sataniic, and threat to Their Money, while using government to increase their wealth and power, as is happening now. Vivat Jesus, not self, not silver and gold
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The last 3 of 4 administrations, All Big Business Only, Biggest wealth enriching , Massive Deficits...................................How can they be called 'fiscally conservative', or christian?
It is Administration policies, radically different from historic ones, Being thereby extrremly liberal changes, whereby USA today is Bankrupt, with Record deficits thse months, and no economic hope for USA in future. Our new 'mortgage holders' are Massively rapid economic growrth, while our almighty Dollar is now worthless.What is Christian or fiscally conservitive about any of these?
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peary
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Originally Posted by **Sailka **
Not everything is bad in bad systems. Both the Soviet and Russian Government have focused on Financing the Arts, Science, Culture, Education, for over Century.
**They also taught secular atheism in their school system and if you were a believer you were not allowed to advance up the Party scale. **
This Non-Veteran adminstration has focused US Armed forces on furthering “US Interests”, not on protecting USA. There are verified at Least 10 times more terrorists, and Bin Laden supporters, than Before our NO Excuses for Conquest of Uninvolved with 9/11 OR external terrorism Iraq/Saddam Hussein.
The reason more have been identified is because they are coming out to do their dirty work now. They see the time as right. Their efforts are to bring down the West and eliminate Israel so that the Mahdi may appear and unite the world under the banner of Islam.
And This Adminstration signing Authorization for torture of ‘suspects’, which has been a War Crime we signed off on.
Torture was Declared as Illegal at the 1863 Geneva accords, as Counterproductive and non-productive. Even Hitler didn’t torture genuine POW’s.
I guess you don’t believe in the concentration camps. So sad.
I witnessed standing room only World Premier of The Orthodox Christmas Oratorio at the Basillcca of the Immaculate Conception last December. The Russian Central Command Grand Symphony Orchestra, led by Lt Gen, Was the Instrumental, With Russian Orthodox Priest, 3 Russian Young Adult Youth Choirs, Televised World Wide by EWTN. Russian TV 1, and a couple of Russian Media. Anything wrong with Governmet support of Fine Arts, Education? Ciao, Servus (Means Laterz in other half of arKansas, !!!)
So what? A government can support whatever it wants culturally. Even a communistic state recognizes the value of the Arts - as long as they reflect the Great Socialist Empire.
Not everything is bad in bad systems. Both the Soviet and Russian Government have focused on Financing the Arts, Science, Culture, Education, for over Century.
**They also taught secular atheism in their school system and if you were a believer you were not allowed to advance up the Party scale. **
This Non-Veteran adminstration has focused US Armed forces on furthering “US Interests”, not on protecting USA. There are verified at Least 10 times more terrorists, and Bin Laden supporters, than Before our NO Excuses for Conquest of Uninvolved with 9/11 OR external terrorism Iraq/Saddam Hussein.
The reason more have been identified is because they are coming out to do their dirty work now. They see the time as right. Their efforts are to bring down the West and eliminate Israel so that the Mahdi may appear and unite the world under the banner of Islam.
And This Adminstration signing Authorization for torture of ‘suspects’, which has been a War Crime we signed off on.
Torture was Declared as Illegal at the 1863 Geneva accords, as Counterproductive and non-productive. Even Hitler didn’t torture genuine POW’s.
I guess you don’t believe in the concentration camps. So sad.
I witnessed standing room only World Premier of The Orthodox Christmas Oratorio at the Basillcca of the Immaculate Conception last December. The Russian Central Command Grand Symphony Orchestra, led by Lt Gen, Was the Instrumental, With Russian Orthodox Priest, 3 Russian Young Adult Youth Choirs, Televised World Wide by EWTN. Russian TV 1, and a couple of Russian Media. Anything wrong with Governmet support of Fine Arts, Education? Ciao, Servus (Means Laterz in other half of arKansas, !!!)
So what? A government can support whatever it wants culturally. Even a communistic state recognizes the value of the Arts - as long as they reflect the Great Socialist Empire.
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Sailka
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Please Answer Why the last 3 Big Money admistrations (Reagan, 3 Bush) began Massive Deficit Initiating Tax Cuts on Richest, And subsidizing them? Why did Bush Detroy Clinton’s Still big FY 2001 Tax Surplus, with Massive new Tax Cuts, Big Business Subsidies, etc? USA is now Biggest Deficits in History, These months, And now formally Bankrupt country. Even selling Your Home also can not repay the Debts we owe China, Saudia, Japan, Wealthier countries. Why is Dollar Worthless, first time in History? Where is fiscal conservatism in this worst administration? Trying to cut VA, 2 years ago?
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Be it far from me to support vern humphrey in any way whatsoever, but you can get a very good suite of office software, including a word processor comparable to Word, for free at openoffice.org.Can you loan me your WORD, brother? And the Auto WORD Disc? Am Unworded. 2003 Polling data of Muslims showed Bin Laden support went from >>>2%<<<<<<<<< Before our Iraqi conquest to 22%. And far Higher after El Graib, etc by US was revealed. Also, CIA Director Jan 2007 on TODAY show said Torture is Counterproductive,. Has increased # of terrorists. Pls excuse my authoritarian Prussian Big caps forcefullness. blame it on my genes
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Caesar517
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I think we’ve found something we all agree on.
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Sailka
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:) Thank you, sir! Free is only thing I can afford now :o [/LIST
I hope I haven't talked brother Vern out, on every issue! He is Fun, normally has sense of humor also
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Sailka
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I think we’ve found something we all agree on.
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Good Sense of Humor leads to agreement on Everrything, humerously. Brother Vern is Funny! As Best peeps are :) :thumbsup:
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goofyjim
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On that idea the only ones allowed to push an agenda are those who are 100% agreeable to these forums. That leaves no room for discussion. And the conservatives say the liberals are the only ones that want to shut down discussion.
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vern_humphrey
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Nonsense, Jim.On that idea the only ones allowed to push an agenda are those who are 100% agreeable to these forums. That leaves no room for discussion. And the conservatives say the liberals are the only ones that want to shut down discussion.
You can discuss virtually anything here (except the government forbids us to mention candidates by name.)
However, you are expected to keep to the subject of the thread you are participating in. If you want to discuss something else, then you are free to start another thread.
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stinkcat_14
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Although, be prepared to be called a bigot.
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