Is God the same as Allah?

[ronyodish]

First I need to make it clear I’m not a Muslim or a Christian in the traditional sense. I believe in one God although He’s called by different names. I accept Christ as the Son of God and that he was born of a virgin why? First, I also accept Zoroaster. Did you know that Christ’s virgin birth was foretold in the Holy Books of the Zoroastrians? That’s one way I know Zoroaster was also a Prophet of God. The three wise kings were Zoroastrian kings who knew of this prophecy and followed the star from Persia I think to Bethlehem. The Zoroastrian Books also spoke about an Arabian Prophet that would arise in the future -Muhammad. Mt Paran refers to Arabia and Ishmael’s great nation was Islam.

worldcitizen,

Zoroaster, and others like Buddha, and Confucius, were not Prophets of God. They were religious/philosophical Gentile men who in their pagan surroundings, were following their conscience and the natural moral law of God, which is written on every man’s heart, and in doing so, they were able to impart a good amount of holiness and truth, although often times, mixed with error and falsehood. The Church refers to these men collectively as a “preparation” for the Gospel, since they came before the Gospel and were leading to it.

St. Paul explains it like this: “When Gentiles who have not the law do by nature what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. They show that what the law requires is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness and their conflicting thoughts accuse or perhaps excuse them” (Rom. 2:14-15).

As for the Prophets of God, this designation refers to the Jewish Prophets, such as Isaiah and Jeremiah, and with the last Prophet being St. John the Baptizer, who ushered in the coming of the Messiah.

As far as lo here is Christ or there He is. That’s clearly referring to Christian clergy who in the latter days will claim ‘here is Christ’ but the church has been publicly proven to be corrupt and criminally involved in covering up child sexual abuse from the top down. And it was and has been proven to be organisational cover ups. Are these godly people.

Just as one of the Apostles, Judas, betrayed Jesus, so likewise, some of the successors of the Apostles have betrayed Him. This is nothing new, and has always occurred in the Church, that is, the fact that some who claimed to be following Jesus ended up betraying Him. Nevertheless, the Catholic Church remains Holy, because She is founded upon the Holy Apostles, the Holy Mysteries, and the Holy Saints of God. This Church speaks for Christ, as Christ teaches: “He who hears you hears me, and he who rejects you rejects me, and he who rejects me rejects him who sent me” (Luke 10:16).

As for the false followers and public unrepentant sinners, Jesus explained that they would coexist with the true faithful people in the parable of the wheat and weeds: “Let both grow together until the harvest; and at harvest time I will tell the reapers, Gather the weeds first and bind them in bundles to be burned, but gather the wheat into my barn” (Matt. 13:30). The weeds (bad Christians), and wheat (good Christians) will coexist until the end of time (harvest), when they will be separated.

And what is Christ’s test for a true or false Prophet? Ye shall know them by their fruits. Child sexual abuse is plenty fruit enough for any decent person to know exactly who doesn’t have Christ and who cannot possibly pass the test of ye shall know them by their fruits.

We already know that a child sexual abuser who claims to follow Christ, whether as a priest or as a layman, is a false follower. It would be better for such a follower “if a millstone were hung round his neck and he were cast into the sea, than that he should cause one of these little ones to sin” (Luke 17:2).

 

[ronyodish]

Continued…

So Current day Christianity is the last place you’d get accurate information about Christ’s Second Coming as they have allowed innocent children to suffer abuses as long as it took humanity to have the courage to speak out.

You are mistaken. You are mistaking Christianity and the true faithful who follow it versus the false followers, who claim to be Christian while sinning egregiously, and loving the fact that they can get away with it. God sees everything, and no man can hide from the Judgment. They may get away with it in this lifetime, but not in the next.

As far as the Second Coming of Christ, you are again mistaken. This event has not yet occurred, as the Church, which speaks for Christ, has stated that no further public revelation is to be expected before Christ’s Second Coming. Since you speak about a Second Coming that has already supposedly happened, then you are teaching some new public revelation. We reject all false teachings purporting to be new public revelation from God to certain individuals, such as yourself.

The Second Coming has not yet occurred, and of “that day and hour no one knows” (Matt. 24:36).

I’m talking of most Christian organisations today not specifically Catholic as they all have been involved in terrible crimes against God Himself.

The wheat and weeds will coexist as I said. This does not detract from the fact that Christianity is the one true religion founded by Christ, as the fulfillment of Judaism. It also does not detract from the fact that the Church founded by Christ is “constituted and organized in the world as a society, subsists in the Catholic Church, which is governed by the successor of Peter and by the Bishops in communion with him” (Lumen Gentium 8).

As far as interpretation also you can only get the true and accurate infallible and intended meaning of the Holy Scriptures from a Christ or Moses or Prophet of a God which I have done.

The Church speaks for the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ: “He who hears you hears me” (Luke 10:16). If you want authentic interpretations, then rely not on your own understanding, but look to the Church, the Body of Christ.

Christ wrote to the Christians and asked why they closed their doors in His Face. He revealed another ‘Sermon on the Mount’. You can’t get to heaven on accepting Christ’s first Coming and denying His Second. Its a sore test but its your souls not mine. I’ve not betrayed my Faith thank God. If I rejected this (second coming) and later knew I had rejected it I’d rather have never been born at all its that important.

All we have from Christ have come to us via Holy Scripture and Holy Tradition, and this has been handed down to us, generation by generation, via the Holy Catholic Church. Don’t look elsewhere, to other christs and false prophets, but look to the Church, “the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth” (1 Tim. 3:15).

But you are good people and I love you all as brothers.

“You are not far from the kingdom of God” (Mark 12:34).

God bless,

Rony

 

[GaryTaylor]

God forbid such a blasphemy. I am just a very, very unworthy servant of God not even that.

Oh so your saying you don’t fully understand, just better than the rest of us? I’m still confused.

For example who else agrees with your understanding here?

 

[PRmerger]

Only Prophets of God fully understand the mysteries and prophecies in the Holy Scriptures fully.

Then if you are not a prophet, and you could be interpreting our Scriptures incorrectly, why should we believe you?

 

[PRmerger]

When I was young the word was Paraclete. Decades later I found Paraclete was no longer there but had been replaced where Jesus said He would send a comforter after He had gone.

I think you have been misinformed about the word “paraclete” being removed.

The Catholic Bible, the Douay Rheims, states here:

And I will ask the Father, and he shall give you another Paraclete, that he may abide with you for ever.

The above is from our inspired and sacred author, John, one of the 4 evangelists.

There are numerous references to Muhammad and Islam. One being a great nation will be raised from Ishmael. That’s a direct reference to Islam.

Sure. (Although there is no reference, at all, to Muhammad in any of the pages of the Bible.)

That’s certainly a reference to Islam. No one ought to doubt that.

There are also references to other great nations, such as the Assyrians, the Chaldeans, the Romans in our Bible.

References to them ought not be interpreted as, “Therefore, the Romans are the chosen people of God because they are mentioned in the Bible!”

 

[Even_So]

Yes, just worshiped in a different way and possible misrepresented and misunderstood. God is God, there is not other or substitute. Their belief is in the MAKER, same as us.

Welcome to the discussion. As was argued earlier, if we agree we all worship the same God, can Allah be God if Jesus is not our Savior? I get that God has different names from different religions. Israeli’s call God (G-D) Yahweh (YHWH). But they reject Jesus. So i guess i will have to tweak the question again and ask: if Christ was here from the beginning, is Allah the same as God?

 

[Even_So]

Wanted to edit last quote, but really it’s a welcome to the newcomers in this now debate and it’s not a new question about worshiping Christ and God vs Allah. Yet. Has anyone noticed the poll numbers? Dead heat. How many people voted before reading this thread? I wonder if they would change after all the info from this thread was digested? If i had changed the question to would you have a problem worshiping Allah, after all it’s only another name for God, would the results would be very different?

 

[Sy_Noe]

Yes if we believe in one God. People may have different ideas about God but if there’s one as I believe there is, then there’s one and they’re the same. There can’t be one God and God not be the same. Even though humans may perceive of one God in different ways.

 

[GaryTaylor]

If i had changed the question to would you have a problem worshiping Allah, after all it’s only another name for God, would the results would be very different?

Well, its the same question in Christianity. You believe Catholics worship a different God than yourself? And if not than there should be no issue worshiping with them and visa versa?

The propositions seems to indicate there is more than one god. However, thats not the apostolic belief indicative by the creed.

So if there is one God, then anything else by definition is not God. There are different understandings of God, not different gods. There is demonic activity, but I don’t see this can be explicitly proven as a whole nor does it change the affirmation of one God?

 

[badnewsbarrett]

If this is the Eastern Catholic sub forums, i was kind of dared to post this here by (name removed by moderator). My take is no they are not the same. What says youse?

Linguistically, God and Allah are technically equivalent. But the question was “Is God the same as Allah?” and the answer to that is no.

It is a Trinitarian God that we believe in. Jesus and the Father are one, no one comes to the Father except through Him. And then there is the Holy Spirit as well; there is a triune Godhead and that is very different from a non-Trinitarian albeit monotheistic Allah.

If you were to ask if God the Father- somehow taken aside from the rest of the Godhead- is approximately the same as Allah, that would make it a bit of a tougher hypothetical. You would get quite a bit of pushback when it comes to taking apart certain parts of well-defined Christian doctrine, of course, but I think it would be a necessary part of the exercise in order to make it more of a convincing equivalence. Asking if a Trinitarian Godhead is the same as Allah seems like an easy one to me; no, of course they’re not the same. One is a Trinity, the other is clearly not. A Trinity adds up to a Trinity, it doesn’t add up to something else. And I don’t believe there is a proper way to mentally remove the Father from the rest of the Godhead, but if we were to allow for substantial changes to be made on one side or the other in service of trying to make different things more like the same thing, that would be the thing that comes closest to making Allah the equivalent of something Christian.

 

[GaryTaylor]

Linguistically, God and Allah are technically equivalent. But the question was “Is God the same as Allah?” and the answer to that is no.

It is a Trinitarian God that we believe in. Jesus and the Father are one, no one comes to the Father except through Him. And then there is the Holy Spirit as well; there is a triune Godhead and that is very different from a non-Trinitarian albeit monotheistic Allah.

If you were to ask if God the Father- somehow taken aside from the rest of the Godhead- is approximately the same as Allah, that would make it a bit of a tougher hypothetical. You would get quite a bit of pushback when it comes to taking apart certain parts of well-defined Christian doctrine, of course, but I think it would be a necessary part of the exercise in order to make it more of a convincing equivalence. Asking if a Trinitarian Godhead is the same as Allah seems like an easy one to me; no, of course they’re not the same. One is a Trinity, the other is clearly not. A Trinity adds up to a Trinity, it doesn’t add up to something else. And I don’t believe there is a proper way to mentally remove the Father from the rest of the Godhead, but if we were to allow for substantial changes to be made on one side or the other in service of trying to make different things more like the same thing, that would be the thing that comes closest to making Allah the equivalent of something Christian.

Leaves the understanding of the Jews-Christians-God to be explained. Doesn’t fit the above box. Doesn’t make sense.

 

[Even_So]

Leaves the understanding of the Jews-Christians-God to be explained. Doesn’t fit the above box. Doesn’t make sense.

How bout Jesus is the Son of God, the same God the Jews believed in, but the Jews rejected Jesus. Most here accept Jesus as Messiah. Therefore Jews and ourselves do worship the same God, but they won’t worship Jesus as Messiah when until He comes again so they will get in under the Law until said time. It kind of does have relevance to the Allah argument though:banghead:, as everyone will worship Jesus as Messiah soon. I spose Muslims could get in under the Law if they wanted to accept the same God of the Jews. Makes me think of a new thread…

 

[thinkandmull]

**People seem to have a false middle ground here. God is out there. We know Him as the Trinity. Now, here we are, with our beliefs. Is God Allah? What does that even mean!? Does he fit a natural law concept of God? Ye. Can those in good faith worship him as a muslim? Ye. Read Acts 17. Let’s get this fuzzy thinking out the window please **

 

[paulrxp]

If it had to be a yes or no answer, then the answer would be No. The Trinity tells us exactly who God is, and it’s the most important dogma of our faith for that very reason.

Allah in Islam removes Jesus and the Holy Spirit as divine persons. At best, the muslim understanding of who God (Allah) is could be associated with who we know as the Father. Some other religions who may consider themselves Christians do the same. Still the Truth is not relative, but absolute. You cannot know who God is in Truth, in fullness and in his total glory if you remove who is One in being with Him, and the Spirit of Truth who reveals both to us through His living visibly Body, the Church.

 

[thinkandmull]

You may not know God with all the head knowledge that accords with truth, but your heart can still be in good place. Some muslims give greater glory to God than Christians. Not until the beatific vision will they see the full truth though

 

[confusedgirl]

Well that’s like asking is Yahweh the same as God or is Elohim the same as God or is Jehovah the same as God. There are so many ways to say God. Lots of Abrahamic Religions have different views and names of the God that they claim to be the same. We all share the Old testament and the 10 commandments ect. but we all separate on our views of Jesus. Muslims see Jesus as a prophet but the next prophets words are the more valid than the last and Muhammad is the last prophet so that’s why he is more important than Jesus in this sense. The still respect Jesus but they don’t live by his teachings as they do Muhammad’s teachings. Then we have our polar opposites in Judaism that give a big red X on Jesus. They deny Jesus as the son of God and the Messiah and believe he was a regular man and preacher I guess. They are still waiting for their Messiah… who will be the same one I guess. Then there is Christianity we more or less, and I say more or less because there are way too many branches of Christianity that I am not even 100% sure if we ALL believe that Jesus is the Son of God and the Messiah. I don’t really think I need to explain Christian doctrine because I am sure that there are a lot of people on this forum that know much more than I do about christianity but we believe that Jesus is the Son of God/the incarnation of God on Earth. So we give Jesus God status where Jews and Muslims do not. So Allah is God Elohim is also God Yahweh is also God Jehovah is also God but to Muslims and Jews Jesus is not God if that makes sense.

 

[PRmerger]

Well that’s like asking is Yahweh the same as God or is Elohim the same as God or is Jehovah the same as God. There are so many ways to say God. Lots of Abrahamic Religions have different views and names of the God that they claim to be the same. We all share the Old testament and the 10 commandments ect. but we all separate on our views of Jesus. Muslims see Jesus as a prophet but the next prophets words are the more valid than the last and Muhammad is the last prophet so that’s why he is more important than Jesus in this sense. The still respect Jesus but they don’t live by his teachings as they do Muhammad’s teachings. Then we have our polar opposites in Judaism that give a big red X on Jesus. They deny Jesus as the son of God and the Messiah and believe he was a regular man and preacher I guess. They are still waiting for their Messiah… who will be the same one I guess. Then there is Christianity we more or less, and I say more or less because there are way too many branches of Christianity that I am not even 100% sure if we ALL believe that Jesus is the Son of God and the Messiah. I don’t really think I need to explain Christian doctrine because I am sure that there are a lot of people on this forum that know much more than I do about christianity but we believe that Jesus is the Son of God/the incarnation of God on Earth. So we give Jesus God status where Jews and Muslims do not. So Allah is God Elohim is also God Yahweh is also God Jehovah is also God but to Muslims and Jews Jesus is not God if that makes sense.

 

[GaryTaylor]

So we give Jesus God status where Jews and Muslims do not. So Allah is God Elohim is also God Yahweh is also God Jehovah is also God but to Muslims and Jews Jesus is not God if that makes sense.

Perfectly, and it doesn’t make any of these people bad people since they are all the one and only Gods creation.

 

[JWH123]

There is only one God!

Therefore, if you believe that Allah is a different God, you are a heretic by the Christian definition.

By the way, Allah never told Muslims to take part in jihad and kill people. All of the jihad concept came from Muhammad, not Allah. Allah never spoke to Muhammad. Muhammad was a lying war-mongering megalomaniac who created the entire Islamic religion based upon creating Allah (God) in his own image and likeness. Sadly, people believed Muhammad was a prophet. I believe he is burning in hell.

 

[Praedicare]

Depending upon the viewpoint of the speaker, “Allah” might be used with reference to the one-person Monad of the Muslim… or with reference to the Trinity of the Christian.

Arab-speaking Christians address God as “Allah” in all their services and prayers. Since the vast majority of people think “Islam” when they hear the name Allah, however, I voted No. Were I a Melkite or Syriac Christian, I might well have voted “Yes”…