Is God the same as Allah?

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The Kurds are, and ever have been, more interested in their own identity and self preservation than in the extremes of the false religion. To my mind, this is a good thing. They suffered greatly (even today in Turkey, which officially subscribes to the false religion), and they still do. Anyway, it seems to me that the tenets of the false religion are nothing to be interested in. Ask any West Syriac (SOC or SCC) or East Syriac (ACoE or Chaldean).
 
Yes, God and Allah are the same. They are one God, the Most Holy Trinity. Unfortunately Muslims do not believe that He is Trinitarian but He is. They don’t understand Him well like Christians do.
 
Yes, God and Allah are the same. They are one God, the Most Holy Trinity. Unfortunately Muslims do not believe that He is Trinitarian but He is. They don’t understand Him well like Christians do.
As has been said before in this thread, the generic Arabic word is the same … and that’s about it.
 
My understanding is that Muhammad worshiped the God of Abraham. He thought of Jesus as a good prophet. When introduced to the trinity, he could only see it as three gods and rejected it. so he classified Christians as infidels.
Yes. Allah is Arabic for God. Christians who speak Arabic might use a different word to distinguish themselves from Muslims but Muslims believe in the same God Christ taught.

Matter of fact Muhammad was prophesied in the Bible but when the church found out they changed the translation so it could not be interpreted as Muhammad anymore as it would lead many Christians to question the truth about Muhammad.

The word ‘Paraclete’ translated into Arabic means Ahmad and Muhammad and that didn’t sit well with the church so it was changed to comforter. Otherwise Christians would be forced to accept their own Bible and accept Muhammad.

Any person who uses their own God given mind can investigate and find these things out and how the clergy of all Faiths instead of saving their people have misled them. Take the Pharisees for instance. Although they were expecting Christ they were the ones who put Him to death when He was the Light of God.

The same with all Prophets. It’s usually the clergy at the time who see the threat to their power and so deliberately mislead their congregation. Christians have been deceived and lied to just as much as the Jews were. The Pharisees and Mullas lie and deceive their people too so only they will be accepted as true.

God sees what they do and gradually exposes their insincerity. Now slowly we see child sex abuses rife and suicide bombers. What more will God expose to show us we have been misled by criminals posing for God? I accept all Prophets from God especially the ones priests and Mullas reject because they are the real false prophets of our age who deceive the very elect.
 
Christians who speak Arabic might use a different word to distinguish themselves from Muslims but Muslims believe in the same God Christ taught.

Matter of fact Muhammad was prophesied in the Bible but when the church found out they changed the translation so it could not be interpreted as Muhammad anymore as it would lead many Christians to question the truth about Muhammad.

The word ‘Paraclete’ translated into Arabic means Ahmad and Muhammad and that didn’t sit well with the church so it was changed to comforter. Otherwise Christians would be forced to accept their own Bible and accept Muhammad.

Any person who uses their own God given mind can investigate and find these things out and how the clergy of all Faiths instead of saving their people have misled them. Take the Pharisees for instance. Although they were expecting Christ they were the ones who put Him to death when He was the Light of God.

The same with all Prophets. It’s usually the clergy at the time who see the threat to their power and so deliberately mislead their congregation. Christians have been deceived and lied to just as much as the Jews were. The Pharisees and Mullas lie and deceive their people too so only they will be accepted as true.

God sees what they do and gradually exposes their insincerity. Now slowly we see child sex abuses rife and suicide bombers. What more will God expose to show us we have been misled by criminals posing for God? I accept all Prophets from God especially the ones priests and Mullas reject because they are the real false prophets of our age who deceive the very elect.
Interesting opinion, not very factual, but interesting. The NT wasn’t written in Arabic, why is it important what it translate’s into Arabic as, for example?
 
Matter of fact Muhammad was prophesied in the Bible but when the church found out they changed the translation so it could not be interpreted as Muhammad anymore as it would lead many Christians to question the truth about Muhammad.
The word ‘Paraclete’ translated into Arabic means Ahmad and Muhammad and that didn’t sit well with the church so it was changed to comforter. Otherwise Christians would be forced to accept their own Bible and accept Muhammad.
worldcitizen,

You’ve been misled by Muslims on this matter. Muhammad was not the prophesied Paraclete in our Holy Scriptures. I dealt with this argument a few years ago with a Muslim by the name of Hamza. Here are my replies to the discussion:

Reply #1 to Hamza
Reply #2 to Hamza
Reply #3 to Hamza
Reply #4 to Hamza

The second reply goes deep into the argument.

God bless,

Rony
 
worldcitizen,

You’ve been misled by Muslims on this matter. Muhammad was not the prophesied Paraclete in our Holy Scriptures. I dealt with this argument a few years ago with a Muslim by the name of Hamza. Here are my replies to the discussion:

Reply #1 to Hamza
Reply #2 to Hamza
Reply #3 to Hamza
Reply #4 to Hamza

The second reply goes deep into the argument.

God bless,

Rony
The thing is in the Bible it states that when the Spirit of Truth is come He shall guide you into all truth. He shall take of mine and show it unto you. Just as Jews denied the coming of Christ the first time so Christians have denied His Return so they are unaware of the mysteries of the Bible as they rely on interpretations which are fallible and incorrect.

When the Spirit of Truth did come He explained these things of which Christians remain bereft just as the Jews did not understand their Book about Christ when He appeared.

You were told in your Holy Book to 'watch and pray, that He would come like a thief and He did and you missed it. I get my interpretations of Holy Books not from people but from what the Prophets have spoken. If you want to believe priests go right ahead but it’s your soul if you’ve made a grave error and missed His Coming. You can’t use the excuse in the next world that you followed what was the popular belief so you missed it because you are told to watch and pray not blindly follow what others say. I watched and prayed and I did not miss it.

Christ on His return told us Muhammad was true not Mulsims. When He returned He stated that He was sad that Christians denied Muhammad when He was prophesied in the Bible. I’m not a Muslim.
 
The thing is in the Bible it states that when the Spirit of Truth is come He shall guide you into all truth. He shall take of mine and show it unto you. Just as Jews denied the coming of Christ the first time so Christians have denied His Return so they are unaware of the mysteries of the Bible as they rely on interpretations which are fallible and incorrect.

When the Spirit of Truth did come He explained these things of which Christians remain bereft just as the Jews did not understand their Book about Christ when He appeared.

You were told in your Holy Book to 'watch and pray, that He would come like a thief and He did and you missed it. I get my interpretations of Holy Books not from people but from what the Prophets have spoken. If you want to believe priests go right ahead but it’s your soul if you’ve made a grave error and missed His Coming. You can’t use the excuse in the next world that you followed what was the popular belief so you missed it because you are told to watch and pray not blindly follow what others say. I watched and prayed and I did not miss it.

Christ on His return told us Muhammad was true not Mulsims. When He returned He stated that He was sad that Christians denied Muhammad when He was prophesied in the Bible. I’m not a Muslim.
Perhaps the entire issue is translating what was not written in Arabic to Arabic. In fact this is a documented issue Muslims claim occurs from the Arabic to English translation, yes?

Who is “us”. Who aside from yourself?
 
Yes. Allah is Arabic for God. Christians who speak Arabic might use a different word to distinguish themselves from Muslims but Muslims believe in the same God Christ taught.

Matter of fact Muhammad was prophesied in the Bible but when the church found out they changed the translation so it could not be interpreted as Muhammad anymore as it would lead many Christians to question the truth about Muhammad.
Source for this, please?

Who changed it? When? What was original verse(s) that prophesied about Mohammed?
 
In my opinion, I believe that God is not the same as Allah. I’m sure that there will going to be people who will disagree with me, but that’s what I think.
 
Source for this, please?

Who changed it? When? What was original verse(s) that prophesied about Mohammed?
When I was young the word was Paraclete. Decades later I found Paraclete was no longer there but had been replaced where Jesus said He would send a comforter after He had gone.

There are numerous references to Muhammad and Islam. One being a great nation will be raised from Ishmael. That’s a direct reference to Islam. Also Mount Paran -Arabia is referred to regarding Ishmael.

If you’re familiar with the Bible you can easily find these verses.
 
The thing is in the Bible it states that when the Spirit of Truth is come He shall guide you into all truth. He shall take of mine and show it unto you.
worldcitizen,

Yes, the Holy Spirit, not Muhammad. The Holy Spirit led the Apostles into all truth when He descended upon them on Pentecost, as written in Acts ch. 2. This truth, called the Apostolic Faith, was deposited among the Apostles, and then passed down generation by generation in the Holy Church, via Apostolic Succession.
Just as Jews denied the coming of Christ the first time so Christians have denied His Return so they are unaware of the mysteries of the Bible as they rely on interpretations which are fallible and incorrect.
The second coming of Christ has not yet occurred. The Holy Spirit has come, but Christ’s second coming is yet to occur. Matthew chs. 24 and 25 tells us how the second coming will occur. Also, we are told ahead of time to beware of false christs and false prophets, as we read:

“Then if any one says to you, Lo, here is the Christ!' or There he is!’ do not believe it. For false Christs and false prophets will arise and show great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. Lo, I have told you beforehand” (Matt. 24:23-25).

This was Christ’s generic warning to the Christians, to let them know ahead of time that some people will arise and establish themselves as christs and prophets, while denying the truth of who Christ really is. Muhammad fits this description of a false prophet, since he denied the truth of Christ as the Son of God.

So if one were to argue whether or not the coming of Muhammad was prophesied in the Bible, this is where he fits, not as the Paraclete, but rather, as a false prophet.
When the Spirit of Truth did come He explained these things of which Christians remain bereft just as the Jews did not understand their Book about Christ when He appeared.
The Spirit of Truth, the Holy Spirit, the Thrid Qnoma of the Holy Trinity, did indeed come, and He filled the Christians gathered there on the day of Pentecost, by giving them the gift of tongues. They began to proclaim with boldness the truth of the Lord Jesus Christ in all languages, and taught as follows:

“Let all the house of Israel therefore know assuredly that God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified” (Acts 2:36).

By the mouth of the Apostles, the Holy Spirit declared Jesus as the Christ and as the crucified Lord. The false prophet Muhammad, on the other hand, rejected both Christ’s crucifixion and His Lordship. To the Muslims, Christ is not the Mar YHWH, the Rabb, the Lord. To them, He is but a mere prophet in a long line of prophets, but to us, He is more than just a prophet. He is the Lord, as the Holy Spirit declared. He is “my Lord and my God!” (John 20:28).
You were told in your Holy Book to 'watch and pray, that He would come like a thief and He did and you missed it.
His second coming has not yet occurred. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead. St. Matthew tells us:

“When the Son of man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate them one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats” (Matt 25:31-32).

Everyone will know and see when the second coming occurs, because all the nations will be gathered for the general judgment. However, no man knows the day or the hour ahead of time, which is why we must watch and pray, and be ready at all times.
I get my interpretations of Holy Books not from people but from what the Prophets have spoken. If you want to believe priests go right ahead but it’s your soul if you’ve made a grave error and missed His Coming. You can’t use the excuse in the next world that you followed what was the popular belief so you missed it because you are told to watch and pray not blindly follow what others say. I watched and prayed and I did not miss it.
Your interpretations are like those made by uninstructed or uncatechised children who are “tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the cunning of men, by their craftiness in deceitful wiles” (Eph. 4:14). You may be sincere in your interpretations, but they remain YOUR individual interpretations, and not the Apostolic Faith which has been handed down to us, the Apostolic Christians.

St. Paul tells us to “stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter” (2 Thess. 2:15), and St. Jude exhorts us to “contend for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints” (Jude 1:3). This is what we treasure, the Apostolic Faith, the Holy Tradition, and not some individual man-made interpretations of online proselytizers.
Christ on His return told us Muhammad was true not Mulsims. When He returned He stated that He was sad that Christians denied Muhammad when He was prophesied in the Bible. I’m not a Muslim.
On the contrary, Christ warned us ahead of time on the false prophets. Muhammad appeared, and we saw him for what he really is, a false prophet. My Chaldean and Assyrian people suffered greatly under the followers of Islam and their false prophet. We know truth from falsehood, and we have paid greatly with our blood. The historic Church of the East, the Church of the Martyrs, the true Martyrs, and not the false suicide “Martyrs” of Islam, has paid a great price for her fidelity to the Lord Jesus Christ and the Faith of the Apostles. We saw Muhammad when he appeared, and we recognized him for the false prophet that he is.

God bless,

Rony
 
First I need to make it clear I’m not a Muslim or a Christian in the traditional sense. I believe in one God although He’s called by different names. I accept Christ as the Son of God and that he was born of a virgin why? First, I also accept Zoroaster. Did you know that Christ’s virgin birth was foretold in the Holy Books of the Zoroastrians? That’s one way I know Zoroaster was also a Prophet of God. The three wise kings were Zoroastrian kings who knew of this prophecy and followed the star from Persia I think to Bethlehem. The Zoroastrian Books also spoke about an Arabian Prophet that would arise in the future -Muhammad. Mt Paran refers to Arabia and Ishmael’s great nation was Islam.

As far as lo here is Christ or there He is. That’s clearly referring to Christian clergy who in the latter days will claim ‘here is Christ’ but the church has been publicly proven to be corrupt and criminally involved in covering up child sexual abuse from the top down. And it was and has been proven to be organisational cover ups. Are these godly people.

And what is Christ’s test for a true or false Prophet? Ye shall know them by their fruits. Child sexual abuse is plenty fruit enough for any decent person to know exactly who doesn’t have Christ and who cannot possibly pass the test of ye shall know them by their fruits.

So Current day Christianity is the last place you’d get accurate information about Christ’s Second Coming as they have allowed innocent children to suffer abuses as long as it took humanity to have the courage to speak out.

I’m talking of most Christian organisations today not specifically Catholic as they all have been involved in terrible crimes against God Himself.

As far as interpretation also you can only get the true and accurate infallible and intended meaning of the Holy Scriptures from a Christ or Moses or Prophet of a God which I have done.

Christ wrote to the Christians and asked why they closed their doors in His Face. He revealed another ‘Sermon on the Mount’. You can’t get to heaven on accepting Christ’s first Coming and denying His Second. Its a sore test but its your souls not mine. I’ve not betrayed my Faith thank God. If I rejected this (second coming) and later knew I had rejected it I’d rather have never been born at all its that important.

But you are good people and I love you all as brothers.
 
If you are basing child sexual abuse as the reason why clergy or a faith or a church is corrupt, Islam and Zoroastrianism don’t get any free pass. In fact, Islam is probably guilty of much worse and as for Zoroastrianism:

Zoroastrian religion in the Sasanian society also led to the rise of next-of-kin marriage (khevtuk-das).[2] Men were allowed to marry their daughters, sisters, and mother. It was “not merely tolerated, but indeed regarded as acts of piety and great merit, and even efficacious against the demonic forces.”[1] The religious leaders of the time promoted marriage within the family, claiming it imitated the creation. Moreover, priests claimed that incestuous marriage “produced stronger males, more virtuous females, and higher quality and quantity of children, and it protected the purity of the race and propagated it.”[2] This was met by much resistance, led to more conversions from Zoroastrians to Christianity, and is thought to have led to the downfall of the Zoroastrian religion.[2] Finally, The number of wives a man had, was reliant on the means of the man. Thus, there wasn’t as much polygamy in the lower classes as in the wealthy class because men could not afford it.[4]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_the_Sasanian_Empire
 
When I was young the word was Paraclete. Decades later I found Paraclete was no longer there but had been replaced where Jesus said He would send a comforter after He had gone.
worldcitizen,

As I explained earlier, the Greek Paraclete (Parakletos) is the same word as the Aramaic Mnahmana, and the Arabic Al Mu’zay, and they all mean Comforter in English.

This has nothing to do with the Arabic Hamd, from which Ahmad and Muhammad comes, which means Praise in English.

Muslim Apologists, many of whom don’t know much about Aramaic, associate the Aramaic Mnahmana with the Arabic Muhammad. They think that because it sounds similar enough, then they must be the same word, and that’s their so-called “proof” that Christ prophesied about the coming of Muhammad who will lead us into all truth.

Ancient Christians, such as my own Chaldean and Assyrian people, can spot the easy flaw in the argument, but some Western people who convert to Islam based on this, are unable to recognize the trap.
There are numerous references to Muhammad and Islam. One being a great nation will be raised from Ishmael. That’s a direct reference to Islam. Also Mount Paran -Arabia is referred to regarding Ishmael.
No, the reference in Genesis 17:20 to the great nation raised from Ishmael is not a reference to Islam. It is a reference to a nation, the Arabic nation, and not to the Islamic religion.

If we do include religion as part of the reference, then that religion would have to be Christianity, since that is the great religion established by God for all people. Islam, then, is a usurper of what was promised by God to Ismael’s descendants, the Arabic people. It is a counterfeit “gospel” to the true Gospel of Christianity.

On Pentecost, we read that the Arabians were present for the proclamation of the Gospel (see Acts: 2:11). This was their true inheritance, that is, what made their great Arabic nation even greater, the conversion to the Gospel.

Islam came, and swept the Arabic people with their falsehood, giving the Christian Arabs the ultimatum to either convert to their falsehood or be put to the sword. Some caved, but not all. To this day, we have some Arabic Christians, who descend from ancient times. These Christian Arabs are a testament to what was once promised to Ishmael, and are the hope of Christianity in those regions, to bring back the majority of Arabs to Christianity.
If you’re familiar with the Bible you can easily find these verses.
The Bible belongs to the Church, since it is a Church-made document, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Islam does not interpret the Bible for us.

God bless,

Rony
 
If you are basing child sexual abuse as the reason why clergy or a faith or a church is corrupt, Islam and Zoroastrianism don’t get any free pass. In fact, Islam is probably guilty of much worse and as for Zoroastrianism:

Zoroastrian religion in the Sasanian society also led to the rise of next-of-kin marriage (khevtuk-das).[2] Men were allowed to marry their daughters, sisters, and mother. It was “not merely tolerated, but indeed regarded as acts of piety and great merit, and even efficacious against the demonic forces.”[1] The religious leaders of the time promoted marriage within the family, claiming it imitated the creation. Moreover, priests claimed that incestuous marriage “produced stronger males, more virtuous females, and higher quality and quantity of children, and it protected the purity of the race and propagated it.”[2] This was met by much resistance, led to more conversions from Zoroastrians to Christianity, and is thought to have led to the downfall of the Zoroastrian religion.[2] Finally, The number of wives a man had, was reliant on the means of the man. Thus, there wasn’t as much polygamy in the lower classes as in the wealthy class because men could not afford it.[4]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_the_Sasanian_Empire
That’s the touchstone Christ used to tell true from false Prophets. Religious leaders of all Faiths have become corrupted. We are not encouraged to seek guidance from them.

That is why I say to Christians don’t look for Christ in your Churches because He’s returned and even commanded the pope to disrobe and follow Him but the pope refused which means that even the pope does not believe in Christ anymore although he professes belief outwardly. A Christian cannot both accept Christ and then denounce Him. If Christ has returned Christians should be eagerly seeking but they are asleep instead of watching and praying.
 
worldcitizen,

As I explained earlier, the Greek Paraclete (Parakletos) is the same word as the Aramaic Mnahmana, and the Arabic Al Mu’zay, and they all mean Comforter in English.

This has nothing to do with the Arabic Hamd, from which Ahmad and Muhammad comes, which means Praise in English.

Muslim Apologists, many of whom don’t know much about Aramaic, associate the Aramaic Mnahmana with the Arabic Muhammad. They think that because it sounds similar enough, then they must be the same word, and that’s their so-called “proof” that Christ prophesied about the coming of Muhammad who will lead us into all truth.

Ancient Christians, such as my own Chaldean and Assyrian people, can spot the easy flaw in the argument, but some Western people who convert to Islam based on this, are unable to recognize the trap.

No, the reference in Genesis 17:20 to the great nation raised from Ishmael is not a reference to Islam. It is a reference to a nation, the Arabic nation, and not to the Islamic religion.

If we do include religion as part of the reference, then that religion would have to be Christianity, since that is the great religion established by God for all people. Islam, then, is a usurper of what was promised by God to Ismael’s descendants, the Arabic people. It is a counterfeit “gospel” to the true Gospel of Christianity.

On Pentecost, we read that the Arabians were present for the proclamation of the Gospel (see Acts: 2:11). This was their true inheritance, that is, what made their great Arabic nation even greater, the conversion to the Gospel.

Islam came, and swept the Arabic people with their falsehood, giving the Christian Arabs the ultimatum to either convert to their falsehood or be put to the sword. Some caved, but not all. To this day, we have some Arabic Christians, who descend from ancient times. These Christian Arabs are a testament to what was once promised to Ishmael, and are the hope of Christianity in those regions, to bring back the majority of Arabs to Christianity.

The Bible belongs to the Church, since it is a Church-made document, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Islam does not interpret the Bible for us.

God bless,

Rony
Only Prophets of God fully understand the mysteries and prophecies in the Holy Scriptures fully.
 
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