Is he going to propose?

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I haven’t written anything so far, but now that I’ve read you broke up, let me just say - you did a good thing. Let him grow up.
You will be in my prayers. God bless both of you! 👍
 
Is that normal, that the man is doing everything on the background not bringing the woman into the loop? What has been your experience?
Maybe in some cultures this is acceptable, but I wouldn’t put up with that myself. Marriage is supposed to be a partnership, after all. In fact, I called off an engagement to someone who did that very thing. There were other issues as well, but when he went behind my back to buy a house which I was eventually supposed to live in and help to pay for, and didn’t even consult me about it, that was the last straw. I certainly wouldn’t go into business with someone who made important decisions which would affect both of us without consulting me, so why would I marry such a person? Business partners can be fired, but once you’re married, you’re married.
 
I can’t add much to the great posts I’ve read both before and after you broke it off except that when you meet the right guy you will KNOW it and the engagement and marriage will come as the most natural thing in the world. You will not have to pester him about it and there will be no tension. He won’t have to “think” about it. You’ll both be on the same “page” from the get-go. Hope that makes sense…:o
 
Well, I broke it off last night and he said that he was going to propose in December… that “November was going to be the last month for his discernment” Anyway, his mixed signals have really turned me off from marriage now, so I’m standing firm in my decision to not go back together.
Oh puhleeeze!

I’ve met this kind. Dismisses your feelings. Strings you along. When you bring it up he shuts down. Makes vague promises. Makes plans that don’t include you, even though you have a right to know. Is content to take you for granted while he hedges his bets or waits to see if there is something better out there. Then when you finally get fed up with his childish games, he announces that he WAS going to do it next month. (Easy to say because he doesn’t have to prove that statement at all.) So that puts all the guilt on you. You now have no one else to blame for the fact that you aren’t getting the ring you wanted next month.

Passive-aggressive to the max here. You DON’T want a man like this. He won’t make any plans, except when you have other plans and then all of a sudden he has plans.

There isn’t a woman alive hardly who didn’t expect the ring when it came. The guys usually give off a signal of eagerness. Their conversation is full of plans for their life together.

Someone who has to go hat in hand to ask mommy and daddy in person for money for his wedding is NOT ready to get married. Just how tied is he to them anyway? This man is not ready to take on the obligations of fatherhood or the responsibility of a family.

Sweetie, you are old enough to get married. You are old enough to make your own decisions. And you proved it last night. Because you also showed you’re mature enough to resist the tug of the “inevitable” no matter how strong it is, and wait for the “preferable.”

You dodged a bullet. A passive-aggressive man who kept you on a string for over a year, making you promises and plans he really wasn’t “sure” of until you voiced other ideas.

An engagement isn’t a surprise party. It’s a serious step in life that you don’t play games with. He never reallly let you in. You stood outside the door of his head guessing what was going on in there. You never could have been united body and soul with a man like that. With a normal man, you’d be telling all your friends you were engaged and showing your ring, not asking strangers on a messageboard whether this man sounded like he loved you and wanted to be with you. But we’re glad to help. We have no dog in this fight and you got a lot of objective advice.

Be prepared that he may be the kind that doesn’t like to be dumped, but wants all the power in a relationship (like he’s had all along.) He may redouble his efforts and come back with all the things he thinks you want to hear to convince you to get back together. Don’t fall for it. You’ve already seen how he acts when left to his own devices. You took away his powerplay. And if he doesn’t hardly show emotion at all at the idea of losing you, that also indicates he really didn’t care that much to begin with.

That deep sigh of relief is the one you didn’t notice came from yourself. Now you are free to be who you really are with someone who may come along who may fall in love and plan some big CHEESY romantic silly proposal with you on the way to a life of true sharing. And you will wonder why you ever contemplated a life with a man who wasn’t your equal in enthusiasm.

And now that you are not dating this young man, I suspect there will be more than a few people who will now come forward with their real opinions of him. Be prepared for that. It may shock you. And they’ll all say “I figured you wouldn’t listen before because you seemed so in love with him but…”

Ask yourself now… were you in love with HIM? Or were you in love with the IDEA of him and the IDEA of being married.

God bless you. You are brave and responsible.
 
Thanks everybody… I think that my biggest issue is that he always thought that I was not supposed to be part of the “decision process” that he had to do everything on his own. Apparently, he was going to propose after flying to see his parents and talk to them in person about the finances for the wedding, because my parents do not want me to get married at all (not because of who I’m dating, they just say I’m too young and I’m 25), so they won’t pay for the wedding.

What it sounds to me is that he hadn’t made up his mind, so he was just winning time to see if he could be as ready as I was to get married.

That’s fine if a guy wants to surprise his girlfriend with the proposal, but as some of you have pointed out, those are just technicalities, the preparation for marriage should be done together.

Is that normal, that the man is doing everything on the background not bringing the woman into the loop? What has been your experience?
I don’t think there is an ‘normal’ thing, one way or the other…I don’t think it should be all the bride’s responsbility either. It saddens me when brides to be exclude their spouses to be out of picking out the cake, and decorations…I mean, it IS a man’s special day, too. That actually upsets me, when I watch those Bridezilla shows!!!:mad:

Not to get off on a tangent…but in reading about your parents (name removed by moderator)ut (not willing to pay for the wedding), maybe that threw him a bit. Now that I know that piece, it changes my opinion slightly, but whether or not they pay, he should be on the same page as you, as far asyour futures go. My personal 2 cents–do you think your parents like him, truly, or do they really see you as too young? 25 is young, but it is not 19. So, I just wonder about that, is why I ask. Thanks for opening so much of yourself up to us here. We can help–I know we can!🙂
 
People here keep indicating that you broke up with him…I can’t seem to find that post??? Did u break it off with him?:confused:
 
Thanks everybody… I think that my biggest issue is that he always thought that I was not supposed to be part of the “decision process” that he had to do everything on his own. Apparently, he was going to propose after flying to see his parents and talk to them in person about the finances for the wedding, because my parents do not want me to get married at all (not because of who I’m dating, they just say I’m too young and I’m 25), so they won’t pay for the wedding.

What it sounds to me is that he hadn’t made up his mind, so he was just winning time to see if he could be as ready as I was to get married.

That’s fine if a guy wants to surprise his girlfriend with the proposal, but as some of you have pointed out, those are just technicalities, the preparation for marriage should be done together.

Is that normal, that the man is doing everything on the background not bringing the woman into the loop? What has been your experience?
Well, even though you mention more details, I won’t pretend to know the full story. I can only comment on what you tell us. So here goes 😃

It looks like maybe he unconciously agreed with your parents that you were too young, because it looks like he was treating you like an adolescent and ‘taking care of things’ without you.

He was in charge of the; when and where and how, that’s fine with relationships that have fully earned trust, respect and are OK with how each partner works in a relationship.

BUT you weren’t ok with the vagueness, you let him know, and he continued with his exclusive plans making it easy for him to go at his own pace not at a pace that both of you were comfortable with.

I also can sympathize with your feeling of ‘it’s getting too late.’ At 25 my own internal clock was saying “Hello! Wake Up! Time to get moving!” All my friends and acquantances were getting married, having children and getting to do the things I was ready for and wanting to do.

I didn’t find that person until I was 26 and I’m still not married at 27, but my sense of urgency has calmed down because I found the right guy and I don’t need to scramble to get it done. He’s working on this with me at our own pace.
 
Ask yourself now… were you in love with HIM? Or were you in love with the IDEA of him and the IDEA of being married.

God bless you. You are brave and responsible.
This is the best post. Sound advice. And this part is my favorite. IT’s something i repeat to myself and tell my friends. It has kept me from going back and making stupid mistakes.

You are a smart and grounded and you know your heart better than anyone else. Don’t be afraid of a future marriage. Take a good 6 months to a year off from dating. Take this time and get to know God and deeper your relationship with him.

I am a 27 year old single women so if you ever need to vent about being single i’m here!
 
Be brave. You don’t know what was going on in his head, but it looks like you two aren’t exactly of the same mould, so maybe it’s better for you to split up.
 
good for you. The next few months will be hard and draining. BUT it gets better and easier.

I absolutely LOVE, “I was gonna propose in Dec.” after taking the month of November to continue discerning? Ha - it’s insulting.

It is horrible being married to the wrong person.
 
Thanks everybody… I think that my biggest issue is that he always thought that I was not supposed to be part of the “decision process” that he had to do everything on his own. Apparently, he was going to propose after flying to see his parents and talk to them in person about the finances for the wedding, because my parents do not want me to get married at all (not because of who I’m dating, they just say I’m too young and I’m 25), so they won’t pay for the wedding.

I think you’re on the right track. If after 2 years he hasn’t figured it out yet then he needs to snap out of it. What was he doing all of that time.
What it sounds to me is that he hadn’t made up his mind, so he was just winning time to see if he could be as ready as I was to get married.
 
Err, ladies and gentlemen, how about we give him some rest? The matter is pretty much concluded, there’s no need to berate him. I for one believe there was more to it than was seen, although the break-up was probably for the better.
 
Err, ladies and gentlemen, how about we give him some rest? The matter is pretty much concluded, there’s no need to berate him. I for one believe there was more to it than was seen, although the break-up was probably for the better.
I agree. I also think those who are telling her to dump him for good are little premature. We know nothing about this guy other than what the original poster has said-andshe admits she is going thourgh emotional time. She knows him far better than the rest of us and I hope she makes her decision based upon her experiences with him and not the kibitzing of anonymous posters in an online form
 
C’mon, gentlemen… she communicated a lot to us with her word choice and what she said, what she didn’t say…

We didn’t tell her anything she didn’t already know.

The fact she was having to ask a bunch of anonymous people on a web site was indication #1 of a huge problem.

It’s not rocket science to figure when someone’s emotional needs aren’t being met in a relationship. So why try to take a temporary relationship where your emotional needs aren’t being met and turn it into a permanent relationship where your emotional needs aren’t being met?
 
C’mon, gentlemen… she communicated a lot to us with her word choice and what she said, what she didn’t say…

We didn’t tell her anything she didn’t already know.

The fact she was having to ask a bunch of anonymous people on a web site was indication #1 of a huge problem.

It’s not rocket science to figure when someone’s emotional needs aren’t being met in a relationship. So why try to take a temporary relationship where your emotional needs aren’t being met and turn it into a permanent relationship where your emotional needs aren’t being met?
Shouldn’t take a rocket scientist to realize you don’t make profound life decisions based on a few days discussion with people you don’t even know.
 
Shouldn’t take a rocket scientist to realize you don’t make profound life decisions based on a few days discussion with people you don’t even know.
I believe she knew what she wanted to do before she posted here. Sometimes seeing it in print helps to make the big decision. She knew that people would all give her the same advice and it gave her the courage to do it.I
 
I believe she knew what she wanted to do before she posted here. Sometimes seeing it in print helps to make the big decision. She knew that people would all give her the same advice and it gave her the courage to do it.
Exactly. This problem had been going on for months and I had “broken up” with him about three times before, but he would always tell me that we would be married soon, so we came back together. Now I have realized that the problem is much larger than what I thought and I’m sure I don’t want to go on like this.

The advice given by most of you matches what most of my friends have said to me. Sometimes when people are so involved in the problem, they can’t look at things with cold eyes and these mediums often help overcome that handicap.
 
C’mon, gentlemen… she communicated a lot to us with her word choice and what she said, what she didn’t say…
Agreed, but it was one-sided. By this I don’t imply any ill will at all, nor any specific mistake. However, an account from just one side is simply not complete. 🙂
We didn’t tell her anything she didn’t already know.
Yes, but we offered new perspectives, new ways of looking at it.
The fact she was having to ask a bunch of anonymous people on a web site was indication #1 of a huge problem.
Having or wanting? And was it his fault or mutual fault or perhaps a problem the cause of which was independent from them (e.g. personality clash)? Can’t assume the man’s fault in a blanket way. And yes, I certainly see how he could have been more considerate, but I fail to see him as malicious, sadistic or good for nothing and psychotic.
It’s not rocket science to figure when someone’s emotional needs aren’t being met in a relationship. So why try to take a temporary relationship where your emotional needs aren’t being met and turn it into a permanent relationship where your emotional needs aren’t being met?
The fact that someone’s needs not being met is not necessarily the other party’s fault. The fact the Opening Poster was not fulfilled in her emotional needs doesn’t mean her now former boyfriend was a bad man or even that the situation was his fault. Perhaps it was, perhaps not, but helping the Opening Poster solve her problem doesn’t necessitate judging her former boyfriend.
 
The advice given by most of you matches what most of my friends have said to me. Sometimes when people are so involved in the problem, they can’t look at things with cold eyes and these mediums often help overcome that handicap.
Yup. 🙂 Godspeed on the rest of your way.
 
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