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The topic is not whether or not to provide emergency care in order to save a life in imminent danger. We already do that, at least we do in the US.
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The Pope has also made clear that healthcare is a right, so I assume this thread is seeking people’s individual opinions. The Church’s opinion on the topic is clear.
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I meant “save a life” even if that life is not in imminent danger.LeafByNiggle:
The topic is not whether or not to provide emergency care in order to save a life in imminent danger. We already do that, at least we do in the US.
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Codependency always does spiritual and emotional harm to its object. For that matter, it does such harm to everyone involved.
Again, the right to be able to earn for oneself the necessities of life doesn’t in any way imply a right to have them provided to you.
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Anrakyr
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You’re asking us (opinion or not) to prove a negative. We can’t prove over such a wide area the difference between use of service just because it’s available vs everyone has access.
That burden is on you to prove there is.
Any further pressure you apply on the point without providing evidence is a waste of our time.
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jeannetherese
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To be arguing that there is such a category and then to be unable to explain what is included within such a category seems odd. Particularly when one is asking others to buyin to one’s argument.
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Healthcare is a limited resource how do you divide it up? obviously some will not be given services, or as happens, services will eventually be cut off,
healthcare is a privilege, subject to conditions of the society you live in
state rights can be taken away, they aren’t rights but privileges.
this doesn’t limit your right to act freely in the effort to obtain property, there is no guarantee of success
if I don’t want to work, do you have to support me with food, water, and shelter?
is there a right to expect to be given anything.
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jeannetherese
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Healthcare is discussed in generalities and we’ve yet to determine what is comprised by this category. Is the right to healthcare the same in Burkina Faso as it is in Germany? One can argue that there is significant disparity in services available and services delivered. Are we making an equity argument here and, if so, how should it be measured across populations?
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jeannetherese
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If the life is not in imminent danger, from what are we saving it?
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StudentMI
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The Catholic Church disagrees with you. You really want to stand against that institution?
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VonDerTann
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Healthcare is already affordable in the US, and good healthcare is widely available. As I’ve said previously, lots of people seem to think affordable has to always mean “free.”
When Blackforest stomped off with her “I hope you never have a real health problem!,” I was going to respond, “I nearly died in 2015. I was hospitalized 3 times for a total of 9 nights; had surgery; and lost 60 pounds in 6 weeks.” What did it cost me? Probably $200-300 in prescriptions courtesy of good insurance. I got cadillac care from some of the top people in their field.
Some people will scream, “it should be nothing…our heathcare system STINKS!”
When Blackforest stomped off with her “I hope you never have a real health problem!,” I was going to respond, “I nearly died in 2015. I was hospitalized 3 times for a total of 9 nights; had surgery; and lost 60 pounds in 6 weeks.” What did it cost me? Probably $200-300 in prescriptions courtesy of good insurance. I got cadillac care from some of the top people in their field.
Some people will scream, “it should be nothing…our heathcare system STINKS!”
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StudentMI
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Maybe where you live and with your paycheck, sure. That’s not the case for everyone.
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Not sure what you mean by this. Healthcare is mentioned pretty plainly by the Church alongside other basic human rights. Like any other right, there will be disparities, but the basic right is clear and obvious. Burkina Faso may not be capable of providing the same care as Germany (I don’t know), but people living in both places have a right to health, just as they have a right to things like food, water and so on.
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This is a loaded question (and clearly meant to be), but the basic answer is that everyone is entitled to basic rights, such as food water, shelter and health care. Why do you think otherwise?
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where does the church disagree that it is a limited resource?upant:
The Catholic Church disagrees with you. You really want to stand against that institution?
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StudentMI
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No where. But you said health care is a privilege. It’s a right according to the Church.
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Anrakyr
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This is the most disgusting thing I’ve ever read on this forum. You are telling us that there’s only X amount of medical supplies and we should live with it.
“Sorry sir, I Kno your a vet and at 55 you could live a long life with a transplant but on a 20k a year income and next to no insurance it’s better you spend the rest of your short life on meds.”
You know what you do when you need more of something?
MAKE MORE.
Bit of a sweeping generalization that.
Degrading conditions.
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VonDerTann
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If I were the easily-offended sort, I’d take offense at the “paycheck” comment, particularly as no one here knows what I do (or did) for a living.
In healthcare one of the best ways to get good care is to be an educated consumer and to advocate for yourself. Those 2 things are absolutely divorced from the size of your wallet.
Having lived through what I described, the item that surprised me the most was the speed in which I was cared for by specialists. Had my illness happened in Europe I am convinced I’d have died waiting for treatment (and the quality of care wouldn’t have been as good anyway, since my doctor consulted with some of the finest researchers at some of the top clinical [and very much American!] med schools about my care as it was developing. All of that is unrelated to the “size of my paycheck.”
In healthcare one of the best ways to get good care is to be an educated consumer and to advocate for yourself. Those 2 things are absolutely divorced from the size of your wallet.
Having lived through what I described, the item that surprised me the most was the speed in which I was cared for by specialists. Had my illness happened in Europe I am convinced I’d have died waiting for treatment (and the quality of care wouldn’t have been as good anyway, since my doctor consulted with some of the finest researchers at some of the top clinical [and very much American!] med schools about my care as it was developing. All of that is unrelated to the “size of my paycheck.”
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StudentMI
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No offense intended but it’s not as affordable as you seem to think. I speak from experience just as you are.
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VonDerTann
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None taken. IMHO there are 2 pricing structures for healthcare:
- Free; and
- A fortune!
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