Is healthcare a right or a responsibility?

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It also doesn’t say anything against such a system. It is left up to individual cultures and societies to decide how best to meet the needs of the common good while obeying the Church’s teachings.
 
Thank you for your well wishes. You don’t have to accept the rigorously designed study from the Commonwealth Fund as evidence. You can even choose not to believe Harvard Scholars. It’s hard to hear one’s bias challenged by facts, but I hope you do eventually keep an open mind. I also hope and pray that you never confront a health challenge that humbles you and gives you a real taste of the System. God bless! I have to mute this thread before it sucks away any more of my time.
 
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yes, but the argument is still valid.
You are prepared to argue against Leo XIII, Pius XI, John XXIII, Paul VI and John Paul II? Good luck.
rights are from God
 
rights from God have always existed and don’t all of a sudden need to be identified
 
Are you familiar with how doctrine develops a la Newman?
 
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rights aren’t new doctrine, people have worked for a longtime, people have been needing healing for a long time. it isn’t a right if it wasn’t one before.

the terminology is wrong or really the way we are currently using it is wrong
 
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rights aren’t new doctrine, people have worked for a longtime, people have been needing healing for a long time. it isn’t a right if it wasn’t one before.

the terminology is wrong or really the way we are currently using it is wrong
Okay. That tells me you’re not familiar with Newman’s point.
 
Yep. But our understanding of such things develops over a period of time.
 
It also doesn’t say anything against such a system.
As I said.
when did it become a right?
The right to work in order to provide oneself with the necessities of life has always existed, it’s one of the natural rights that’s inherent to being a human being and that cannot be legitimately taken away.

A right to have the government provide them to you is not a natural right; such a right exists, by definition, only due to the existance and form of the particular government. For example, in the United States the right to interstate travel exists only because States exist and they agreed to it when the current governmental structure was constituted.
 
I misread. Apologies.

In any case, yes, the right to work is foundational. The right to free economic activity is related from my understanding.
 
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Yep. But our understanding of such things develops over a period of time.
man can’t grant rights, he can only take them away

rights don’t change over time, healthcare wasn’t a right before and isn’t a right today. healthcare is and always was a service.

this would be a complete turnaround, against Newman’s continuity of principle
The right to work in order to provide oneself with the necessities of life has always existed
the right to healthcare is the issue, the right to work was the start of the quote provided.

I should have quoted more for clarity.
 
Again I will trust the Church on this issue, not you.

I think we’re talking past one another anyway. I’m not arguing for a public health care system. I’m simply stating what the Church says.
 
Again I will trust the Church on this issue, not you.

I think we’re talking past one another anyway. I’m not arguing for a public health care system. I’m simply stating what the Church says.
the topic is healthcare, whether it is a right or responsibility

what you posted I answered in response to healthcare and God-given rights

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I would encourage reading the Compendium if you have a problem with what I said.

Health care can be a right without necessitating that the state supply it.
 
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