Is hitler in hell?

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The_Serpent said:
“For he will give fire, and worms into their flesh, that they may burn and feel forever.” Judith 16:21

Judith sang this phrase as part of her song celebrating the death of Holofernes (she cut his head off), and the defeat of his army. Certainly we can make educated judgments on notorious evil men like Hitler. Certainly he is in Hell, why even ask the question?🤷
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I agree that the question is troubling because it asks how one judges a person, when it is contrary to Christ’s teachings to judge.

At the crux of the matter is forgiveness, and we are to forgive based on this criteria:

Mark 11:25

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And when you stand praying, if you hold anything against anyone, forgive them, so that your Father in heaven may forgive you your sins."

So, do you hold anything against Adolf Hitler, or do you not? If you are a person of normal conscience, I hope that at some point you held a lot against him. Do you still? Or do you forgive him?

BTW: Just so I can know where you are coming from, are you playing the “serpent”, putting on the image of satan, or are you being sincere? With the questions above, I was assuming sincerity, ignoring what you picked for a name.
 
PRmerger said:
Even IF we concede that Judith had some special insight in to the eternal destination of Holofernes, that does not translate to: therefore we know that [very bad person A, B and C] are in hell.
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I would agree that we cannot make judgments on every “bad” person. However, I think we can form an opinion on public, notorious sinners and evil violent criminals. Hitler was committed to the path he chose, was not repentant, and committed the sin of murder when he committed suicide. I have no personal revelation on his disposition. I hold the opinion he is in Hell , based on his life.
 
OneSheep said:
I agree that the question is troubling because it asks how one judges a person, when it is contrary to Christ’s teachings to judge.

At the crux of the matter is forgiveness, and we are to forgive based on this criteria:

Mark 11:25

New International Version
And when you stand praying, if you hold anything against anyone, forgive them, so that your Father in heaven may forgive you your sins."

So, do you hold anything against Adolf Hitler, or do you not? If you are a person of normal conscience, I hope that at some point you held a lot against him. Do you still? Or do you forgive him?

BTW: Just so I can know where you are coming from, are you playing the “serpent”, putting on the image of satan, or are you being sincere? With the questions above, I was assuming sincerity, ignoring what you picked for a name.
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Yes, we are to forgive; as the example in John 8:1-1 2. Where the woman caught in adultery was going to be stoned by the Pharisees. In this instant the actor in the story is alive, and was repentant. In regards to Hitler, a dead historical figure. We can make judgments, or form opinions based on his life. Which looks like a path to Hell to me.

The Serpent in Paradise, is the source of my Forum name. I chose this because I hope to make sharp,insightful, and clever comments; that will make you think.
 
TheTrinitySaves said:
Is Hitler in hell?
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On recent threads, posters have confidently informed me that all atheists burn forever, even if they are good people. So I guess if God punishes atheists eternally just for that, but was to let off the man who ordered the Holocaust, then six million Jews and their families wiil be rioting in heaven for all eternity.
 
The_Serpent said:
I would agree that we cannot make judgments on every “bad” person. However, I think we can form an opinion on public, notorious sinners and evil violent criminals. Hitler was committed to the path he chose, was not repentant, and committed the sin of murder when he committed suicide. I have no personal revelation on his disposition. I hold the opinion he is in Hell , based on his life.
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I think you are way above your paygrade here, Serpent.

Also, this declaration that Hitler is in hell is an intimation that you have embraced the heresy of Pelagianism. It assumes that what we “do” is what gains us heaven…or gains us hell.

This is a heresy.
 
The_Serpent said:
Yes, we are to forgive; as the example in John 8:1-1 2. Where the woman caught in adultery was going to be stoned by the Pharisees. In this instant the actor in the story is alive, and was repentant. In regards to Hitler, a dead historical figure. We can make judgments, or form opinions based on his life. Which looks like a path to Hell to me.

The Serpent in Paradise, is the source of my Forum name. I chose this because I hope to make sharp,insightful, and clever comments; that will make you think.
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I agree that it is important to make judgments about what he did, and we can all agree that what he did was quite wrong. However, Jesus’ call for us not to judge is not limited to the living. We are not to judge anyone.

However, we DO judge! Judging in our minds happens faster than we can consider such judging, it is part of an emotional reaction. The question is, what do we do with this, having judged a person, once we realize we have done so? Modern writers of spirituality, such as Linn ministries, suggest that we not hurry the process of forgiveness. We have to be ready to forgive. However, it does not help in such preparation that for some individuals in history, it is socially acceptable to hang onto resentment and hatred of them even though it is clear that the Gospel calls us to forgive.

As I explained to an earlier poster, we do not forgive on behalf of someone else. We forgive as a part of our own relationship with the Father. Forgiveness from the heart does not condone what he did or acquit him.

Have you forgiven him, or have you not?
 
I’m struggling to find any redeemable quality in Hitler and if there was, would the bad outweigh the good? On the surface it appears so, however we can never know where he is.

If he goes to Heaven will all those millions of souls who suffered terribly under his regime recognise him? Will those thousands of soldiers who went to their deaths recognise him?
 
SAVINGRACE said:
If he goes to Heaven will all those millions of souls who suffered terribly under his regime recognise him? Will those thousands of soldiers who went to their deaths recognise him?
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They will see him the way God sees him.
 
I truly hope he is not. I would not want anyone to be there, I will always hope for their redemption, no matter what. May God have mercy on him.
 
PRmerger said:
I think you are way above your paygrade here, Serpent.

Also, this declaration that Hitler is in hell is an intimation that you have embraced the heresy of Pelagianism. It assumes that what we “do” is what gains us heaven…or gains us hell.

This is a heresy.
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“And I saw the dead, great and small, standing in the presence of the throne, and the books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged by those things which were written in the books, according to their works.” Apocalypse 20:12

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What would I be missing here?
 
The_Serpent said:
“And I saw the dead, great and small, standing in the presence of the throne, and the books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged by those things which were written in the books, according to their works.” Apocalypse 20:12

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What would I be missing here?
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How about the rest of the kerygma? 🙂

Catholics do not read the Scriptures through a tortured reading of verses.

Rather, we read the Scriptures through the lens of the faith which gave us these Scriptures.
 
The_Serpent said:
I have no personal revelation on his disposition. I hold the opinion he is in Hell , based on his life.
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Incidentally, I would be very, very careful about declaring superior knowledge on matters of faith than the Church.

If the Church has not seen fit to propose Hitler’s eternal destination, best to not assert something you have no intimate knowledge of.
 
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