Is Homosexuality Genetic?

[iamme]

Just so I can follow you here are you claiming that the health risks between normal heterosexual married sexual acts are equal to homosexual acts acts?

I ask becuase we need to define terms. Just living carries a health risk. Eating carries a health risk. Walking carries a health risk. But these “risks” are not excessive and unusal.

The paper in question points out that homsexual behaviors do not carry the normal health risks we all face, but different and worse risks.

i mean exactly what i said.
every single act that is said to be a risky sexual act can and IS performed by hetrosexual couples today. you cant compared married couples to homosexual couples because homosexuals cant marry. you can only compare single people to single people, and the sex they can have. according to what they listed, it doesnt matter if the single person is male or female, straight or gay. all are capable of the sexual acts listed, and all are at risk for the consequences of said acts. not all homosexuals are promiscuous. not all homosexuals have multiple partners. not all homosexuals do drugs. some do some of those things, some do all. not all heterosexuals are promiscuous. not all heterosexuals have multiple partners, not all heterosexuals do drugs. some do some of these things, some do all of these things. all stds are available to all men and women, gay or straight, regardless of sexual activity. i generally dont accept “studies” of any kind as fact, simply because you can ALWAYS find a study that contradicts it, and its a pointless argument. everything ive stated above is 100% fact. it is not a homosexual activity vs heterosexual activity, its a sexual activity issue, regardless of orientation.
heres an anecdotal thing. ive known one person who had iads. he was gay. he was one of the few who got it from a blood transfusion, and it was a fluke it wasnt caught then. not all people who are gay and suffer from a disease get them from sexual activity. in my experience, iv drug use, which is a large cause of aids spreading, has been done by heterosexuals, specifically males. but again, thats personal experience, but ive done a lot of drugs and known a lot of junkies, so its pretty wide experience too

at this point, im not sure ive gotten my point across, but i hope i have, to some extent.

 

[buffalo]

i mean exactly what i said.
every single act that is said to be a risky sexual act can and IS performed by hetrosexual couples today. you cant compared married couples to homosexual couples because homosexuals cant marry. you can only compare single people to single people, and the sex they can have. according to what they listed, it doesnt matter if the single person is male or female, straight or gay. all are capable of the sexual acts listed, and all are at risk for the consequences of said acts. not all homosexuals are promiscuous. not all homosexuals have multiple partners. not all homosexuals do drugs. some do some of those things, some do all. not all heterosexuals are promiscuous. not all heterosexuals have multiple partners, not all heterosexuals do drugs. some do some of these things, some do all of these things. all stds are available to all men and women, gay or straight, regardless of sexual activity. i generally dont accept “studies” of any kind as fact, simply because you can ALWAYS find a study that contradicts it, and its a pointless argument. everything ive stated above is 100% fact. it is not a homosexual activity vs heterosexual activity, its a sexual activity issue, regardless of orientation.
heres an anecdotal thing. ive known one person who had iads. he was gay. he was one of the few who got it from a blood transfusion, and it was a fluke it wasnt caught then. not all people who are gay and suffer from a disease get them from sexual activity. in my experience, iv drug use, which is a large cause of aids spreading, has been done by heterosexuals, specifically males. but again, thats personal experience, but ive done a lot of drugs and known a lot of junkies, so its pretty wide experience too

at this point, im not sure ive gotten my point across, but i hope i have, to some extent.

the ol’ two wrongs make a right argument.

 

[fix]

i mean exactly what i said.
every single act that is said to be a risky sexual act can and IS performed by hetrosexual couples today.

No, not all couples and that heterosexuals can act wrongly in no way proves that homosexual acts are good.

you cant compared married couples to homosexual couples because homosexuals cant marry.

I said married to emphasize the correct idea of sexual expression. Not just the state of marriage but the normal acts done that are unique to marital love. I am trying not to be explicit.

you can only compare single people to single people, and the sex they can have. according to what they listed, it doesnt matter if the single person is male or female, straight or gay. all are capable of the sexual acts listed, and all are at risk for the consequences of said acts.

But that would be a deviation of normal heterosexual sex. Such deviations only show that pathology may result from misuse of the sexual powers.

 

[iamme]

the ol’ two wrongs make a right argument.

i honestly dont know what that means…
what two wrongs?
i dont sleep around, when i have sex, its safe sex, when im entering a relationship (which isnt often) i get tested for stds, and expect them to do the same. disease and the like isnt an issue for me at all. most of the people i know or knew were the same way. to say that homosexuality is a threat to you, is false, unless you engage in unsafe, risky sexual activity, or have sex with someone that does. stds cannot be attributed more or less to one orientation, simply because nowadays, everyones sleeping with everyone. if you want to be protected from it, then dont sleep around. otherwise, i dont see what everyones problem with it is.

 

[buffalo]

i honestly dont know what that means…
what two wrongs?
i dont sleep around, when i have sex, its safe sex, when im entering a relationship (which isnt often) i get tested for stds, and expect them to do the same. disease and the like isnt an issue for me at all. most of the people i know or knew were the same way. to say that homosexuality is a threat to you, is false, unless you engage in unsafe, risky sexual activity, or have sex with someone that does. stds cannot be attributed more or less to one orientation, simply because nowadays, everyones sleeping with everyone. if you want to be protected from it, then dont sleep around. otherwise, i dont see what everyones problem with it is.

I did not infer you were.

You made the point that hetero’s engage in the same behavior. I am replying that - two wrongs do not make a right.

Here is one area of concern. As a taxpayer my dollars fund health programs etc… Private dollars fund community rated health insurance plans.

I do not want to my health dollars to treat high risk behaviors, wherever they occur. High risk behaviors drive up health care costs.

 

[iamme]

No, not all couples and that heterosexuals can act wrongly in no way proves that homosexual acts are good.

I said married to emphasize the correct idea of sexual expression. Not just the state of marriage but the normal acts done that are unique to marital love. I am trying not to be explicit.
But that would be a deviation of normal heterosexual sex. Such deviations only show that pathology may result from misuse of the sexual powers.

you just dont get it. fisting, s&m, anal oral and every other act listed can be performed by ANY heterosexual couple. they can also be performed by ANY homosexual couple. theres no reason to bring orientation into it. they are SEXUAL acts.

marriedc has nothing to do with it. you are applying your religious definition of a perfect marriage to a democratic society in an imperfect world. people cheat and then sleep with their spouses. married people actually take courses on new exciting sexual activities these days. missionary may be the old stand by, but its no longer the norm. if missionary is the only normal sex act there is, then i can only give my condolences to you.

 

[iamme]

I did not infer you were.

You made the point that hetero’s engage in the same behavior. I am replying that - two wrongs do not make a right.

Here is one area of concern. As a taxpayer my dollars fund health programs etc… Private dollars fund community rated health insurance plans.

I do not want to my health dollars to treat high risk behaviors, wherever they occur. High risk behaviors drive up health care costs.

ok, i can accept that just fine. but dont blame “the gays” because theyre an easier target. heterosexuals are just as much to blame as homosexuals. something that would help out those rising insurance costs tho? letting gays marry

 

[buffalo]

ok, i can accept that just fine. but dont blame “the gays” because theyre an easier target. heterosexuals are just as much to blame as homosexuals. something that would help out those rising insurance costs tho? letting gays marry

I don’t think so.

 

[fix]

you just dont get it. fisting, s&m, anal oral and every other act listed can be performed by ANY heterosexual couple. they can also be performed by ANY homosexual couple. theres no reason to bring orientation into it. they are SEXUAL acts.

You just don’t get it. That heterosexuals may act wrongly does not mean those acts are healthy. It means a subset of heterosexuals act like homosexuals.

marriedc has nothing to do with it. you are applying your religious definition of a perfect marriage to a democratic society in an imperfect world.

I am applying the true definition which includes proper respect for sexual powers.

people cheat and then sleep with their spouses. married people actually take courses on new exciting sexual activities these days. missionary may be the old stand by, but its no longer the norm. if missionary is the only normal sex act there is, then i can only give my condolences to you.

I am talking about “extreme” acts that are contrary to nature. And the article Buffalo links addresses this very point.

 

[Teen4Christ]

ok, i can accept that just fine. but dont blame “the gays” because theyre an easier target. heterosexuals are just as much to blame as homosexuals. something that would help out those rising insurance costs tho? letting gays marry

It really would!

 

[buffalo]

marriedc has nothing to do with it. you are applying your religious definition of a perfect marriage to a democratic society in an imperfect world. people cheat and then sleep with their spouses. married people actually take courses on new exciting sexual activities these days. missionary may be the old stand by, but its no longer the norm. if missionary is the only normal sex act there is, then i can only give my condolences to you.

This shows a shallow understanding of the unitive and procreative aspects of married love. Theology of the Body is an exciting modern teaching on it.

Isolating the act reduces it to animal instinct.

 

[fix]

This shows a shallow understanding of the unitive and procreative aspects of married love. Theology of the Body is an exciting modern teaching on it.

Isolating the act reduces it to animal instinct.

Selfishness is the goal. Variation upon variation is sought to satisfy a misplaced desire.

 

[iamme]

This shows a shallow understanding of the unitive and procreative aspects of married love. Theology of the Body is an exciting modern teaching on it.

Isolating the act reduces it to animal instinct.

but it IS an animal instinct, otherwise the procreative aspect would never be mentioned.
i understand that as a rule, the religious are sexually repressed, but for the most part, today, that isnt the case. 30 years ago, oral was a mystery, then deep throat was released on vhs. as time goes on, and religion becomes less a part of peoples daily life, as opposed to something you do on sunday morning (if the game isnt on) and maybe a wednesday (if you have nothing better to do), sexuality becomes more free, and yes, more perverse, but again, sex is between two (five tops) consenting adults, and it doesnt affect you or anyone else but them, it just seems that since you cant do it because god wont let you, or because you dont want to, or because she has a headache, then they shouldnt be able to either. your pushing your faith and beliefs into other peoples bedrooms, and you use concern over paying taxes to do so. i know its not easy (or possible) to admit, but its true.

and this discussion is so beyond off topic at this point that i must say goodbye.

 

[buffalo]

Selfishness is the goal. Variation upon variation is sought to satisfy a misplaced desire.

A reading of CS Lewis’ Four Loves would help him.

 

[iamme]

A reading of CS Lewis’ Four Loves would help him.

ive been celibate for four years.
you know nothing of my sexual activities, and if i didnt like the narnia books…

 

[buffalo]

but it IS an animal instinct, otherwise the procreative aspect would never be mentioned.
i understand that as a rule, the religious are sexually repressed, but for the most part, today, that isnt the case. 30 years ago, oral was a mystery, then deep throat was released on vhs. as time goes on, and religion becomes less a part of peoples daily life, as opposed to something you do on sunday morning (if the game isnt on) and maybe a wednesday (if you have nothing better to do), sexuality becomes more free, and yes, more perverse, but again, sex is between two (five tops) consenting adults, and it doesnt affect you or anyone else but them, it just seems that since you cant do it because god wont let you, or because you dont want to, or because she has a headache, then they shouldnt be able to either. your pushing your faith and beliefs into other peoples bedrooms, and you use concern over paying taxes to do so. i know its not easy (or possible) to admit, but its true.

and this discussion is so beyond off topic at this point that i must say goodbye.

Woah!!! I think you have read too many anti-religious propaganda. We are not repressed. Quite the contrary. Completely fulfilled.

 

[buffalo]

ive been celibate for four years.
you know nothing of my sexual activities, and if i didnt like the narnia books…

You keep bringing this up. I understood this the very first time you stated it.

Your celibacy is to be admired. It is not the issue.

 

[iamme]

Woah!!! I think you have read too many anti-religious propaganda. We are not repressed. Quite the contrary. Completely fulfilled.

to someone whos tried quite a number of things, and found them to be super freakin fun, i think its safe to say that what has been called “normal natural” sex is pretty boring…

honestly, i harbor no ill will towards anyone, i just find the remarks about homosexuality horribly offensive. regardless of whether or not i fit the norm, i AM a homosexual, and that means that all of these remarks are directed at me. if you generalize a group, you generalize the individual, and its not right. i try my hardest not to judge a person by the group theyre affiliated with, and yeah, sometimes its hard, especially if youve been conditioned to demonize them, but its something people need to rise above, otherwise respect cant be exchanged, and society becomes stagnant.

 

[pathia]

I responded by explaining briefly why 1 does not apply; 2 has been addressed partially by the medical studies cited; and I also addressed 2 and 3 partially by using the example of why fornication is wrong for heterosexuals.

If we look at social trends like the medical studies do, true monogamy is apparently pretty rare among homosexuals, more more rare than it is among heterosexuals. You may be faithfully monogamous and so may everyone you know, but the point of the studies was that the opposite is more supported by the homosexual community. I don’t think that can be entirely chalked up to lack of societal support for it.

I have been with my partner for over nine years. Our roommates have been together for over 20. Our best friends down the street have been together for over forty years.

I believe the studies do not take account of the many homosexuals in the suburbs and various other areas. Every time I ever see a survey or study done, it’s done in an inner city. We don’t all live in the inner city and partake of bathhouses, it’s a very biased sample.

Also, ‘love’ is not a one night stand, I would think that be self evident. The medical studies you have linked and others have linked, again have only studied the inner city homosexual, which is entirely different. Why not study just the homeless junkies in an inner city and conclude everyone that’s ever done drugs is exactly like that.

 

[buffalo]

to someone whos tried quite a number of things, and found them to be super freakin fun, i think its safe to say that what has been called “normal natural” sex is pretty boring…

honestly, i harbor no ill will towards anyone, i just find the remarks about homosexuality horribly offensive. regardless of whether or not i fit the norm, i AM a homosexual, and that means that all of these remarks are directed at me. if you generalize a group, you generalize the individual, and its not right. i try my hardest not to judge a person by the group theyre affiliated with, and yeah, sometimes its hard, especially if youve been conditioned to demonize them, but its something people need to rise above, otherwise respect cant be exchanged, and society becomes stagnant.

You did the same thing in your repressed religious comment.