Is Homosexuality Genetic?

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Abbadon said:
Because god said it’s a sin and because god said you have to stone the homosexuals to death. Just like you have to stone to death people that pick up sticks on the sabbath.

So we have to discourage it to stop people sinning and to stop them getting stoned.
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In my original question, I asked her to explain it without using religion, seeing how this country is neutral when it comes to religion and because this country was founded on NO religion. I doubt she missed my question, so I can only assume she had no answer which didn’t include the Bible.
 
Abbadon said:
Why are some of us more depraved and more likely to sin than others. That’s a rather biased test.
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Because some are given grace and others are not. God predestines his elect to heaven and passes over the rest leaving them to their own fallen wills.

When man sinned it cursed all earthly creation. God has elected to save some through his mercy and leave the rest for his judgement.
 
Neolithic said:
In my original question, I asked her to explain it without using religion, seeing how this county is neutral when it comes to religion and because this county was founded on NO religion. I doubt she missed my question, so I can only assume she had no answer which didn’t include the Bible.
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Oh without using religion. Is their one? I mean what harm does it do?
If you go with the what if everyone on earth was a homosexual…
Well what if everyone on earth was a woman? There would be no procreation either, that doesn’t make being a woman bad.

Could you compare homosexuality to a drug habit? Can the evidence be twisted to show that it is dangerous and that men should only have intercourse in the rectum with women?

I’m afraid I don’t know a non religious argument against homosexuality.
 
Neolithic said:
Please explain how homosexuality is dysfunctional. I have already presented over 40 studies that prove homosexuals and homosexual relationships are no more dysfunctional than heterosexuals and heterosexual relationships. Perhaps you should read the thread thoroughly.

Animals that engage in homosexuality that have not been “influenced” by man? Certainly.
  • Dolphins
  • Penguins
  • Sheep
  • Fruit Bats
  • Beetles
  • Orangutans
  • Male Flamingos
  • Orcas
  • Gray Whales
  • West Indian Manatees
  • Japanese macaques
  • And many others
National Geographic

And, yes, your question was ridiculous.
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Dogs try to “hump” their owners legs, but that doesn’t mean they should be allowed to do it. Big difference between animals and humans. One of them can make proper choices based on logic, social mores, morality, and natural law.
Just because it feels good doesn’t mean you should do it. It may feel good to eat ice on a hot summer day while sitting cross legged in the middle of the northbound lane of I-75 in Detroit during the evening rush hour, but it has consequences which could be deadly.:rolleyes:
 
Bennie_P said:
Dogs try to “hump” their owners legs, but that doesn’t mean they should be allowed to do it. Big difference between animals and humans. One of them can make proper choices based on logic, social mores, morality, and natural law.
Just because it feels good doesn’t mean you should do it. It may feel good to eat ice on a hot summer day while sitting cross legged in the middle of the northbound lane of I-75 in Detroit during the evening rush hour, but it has consequences which could be deadly.:rolleyes:
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Fantastic. We agree on that. Now as soon as you explain why humans should not have sex with members of the same gender, we can agree fully. 👍

You say, just because we can doesn’t mean we should. We’ll, if we shouldn’t, there has to be a reason for it. So, let’s have it.
 
Bennie_P said:
Dogs try to “hump” their owners legs, but that doesn’t mean they should be allowed to do it. Big difference between animals and humans. One of them can make proper choices based on logic, social mores, morality, and natural law.
Just because it feels good doesn’t mean you should do it. It may feel good to eat ice on a hot summer day while sitting cross legged in the middle of the northbound lane of I-75 in Detroit during the evening rush hour, but it has consequences which could be deadly.:rolleyes:
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Okay so then why shouldn’t we?
 
Bennie_P said:
Dogs try to “hump” their owners legs, but that doesn’t mean they should be allowed to do it. Big difference between animals and humans. One of them can make proper choices based on logic, social mores, morality, and natural law.
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Okay so then why shouldn’t we? What is natural law exactly? Other than natural forces I didn’t know nature had laws.
 
Abbadon said:
Okay so then why shouldn’t we? What is natural law exactly? Other than natural forces I didn’t know nature had laws.
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Natural law after the fall is everything dies and is wounded in nature. The will is depraved and unable to have holy thoughts without the grace of God.

People think the unnatural is natural because they have forgotten their guilt in the fall.
 
Abbadon said:
Perhaps the act of sexual intercourse is a choice. But who you are attracted to and who you love most certainly cannot be a choice.

I love thin little pale girls with small breasts, amongst other things, I can’t really change that, nor did I have a choice in that. Did you?
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You have to be aware the Church makes a distinction between orientation and active homosexuality. We can choose to act to avoid impulse. We are not dogs in heat, basically. We have a rational mind (generally 😉 ).
 
Jennifer123 said:
You have to be aware the Church makes a distinction between orientation and active homosexuality. We can choose to act to avoid impulse. We are not dogs in heat, basically. We have a rational mind (generally 😉 ).
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So, basically you have no response to my question. Thanks for clearing that up, Jennifer.
 
John_Pope said:
Homosexuality should be discouraged because it is dysfunctional. Can you name me any other animal that engages in homosexual activity excluding those animals that have been humanily influenced (i.e.: laboratory animals, domestic animals)?
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The activity is obviously risky, but the orientation is not dysfunctional. Anyone can function normally with the orientation.
 
Yes, of course it is genetic/biological. Whoever thinks it isn’t has got their head up their arse. Hello! This isn’t the Middle Ages people.

Then again I shouldn’t really be all that surprsied given the level of ignorance of some of these posters on this site in regard to this topic. This is a Catholic forum after all, isn’t it?
 
Jennifer123 said:
This one? This can say it better than I ever could:
couragerc.net/PIPElevenChurchTeachings.html

But basically, homosexuality is a disordered human condition that uses sex in a way that wasn’t intended and the consequences, mostly selfish in nature, are disastrous for both the individual and society.
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I agree as far as the activity goes. But the condition of finding someone attractive does not need to be discouraged as it is harmless to society.
 
Abbadon said:
All I’m saying is right now the evidence supports the claim that there is a genetic component to homosexuality. You can feel free to deny it all you want, but the evidence is in and it will only continue to grow and be tweaked.
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Understanding behavioral traits influenced by genetics is very complex as there may be multiple genes involved combined with environmental factors as you are aware. It is not as simple as seeing correlations and making assumptions about causation. It is just simply ridiculous - there are traits that are innate, some that are familial, some that are biological, and those environmental, then there are direct and indirect causes. In an behavioral state such as homosexuality, it is pretty much beyond science right now to determine a cause. Science still hasn’t figured out schizophrenia and that is after a century of study. Combine that with the pressure given to NOT study homosexuality in a psychological way, as in a disordered condition, and well, there you go.
 
Benedict108 said:
I was just doing a bit of thinking…if you want to boster your point why stop at Romans?

But like I said earlier, I stated a position earlier in the thread. I didn’t use biblical verses, but a prayer as representation of the Church’s position. I am well aware of the sinfulness of the action and I do not contest it. As far as the genetic argument, I think all angles have been covered and no one is going to budge. I am not one to beat my head incessantly against the wall when people do not want to listen. Free will is a powerful thing. People can choose to accept or reject God, His teachings, or His Church. That is what most makes us like Him and not like animals. He has given us a soul and with that a gift to choose Him or reject Him. At this point, I have resigned myself to prayer. I trust in Him more than my own abilities; hence I leave it to Him now.

Pax tecum.
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bene,
Without holiness no one will see God. Heb.12:14

jean8
 
goofyjim said:
I agree as far as the activity goes. But the condition of finding someone attractive does not need to be discouraged as it is harmless to society.
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We are to avoid near occasions of sin. Don’t you think it is wise to avoid thinking something attractive if it is detrimental to our happiness? I could find the neighbor attractive, but doing so may lead me to want to stray from my husband. We are called to control and master our thoughts as they too have meaning and power.
 
goofyjim said:
The activity is obviously risky, but the orientation is not dysfunctional. Anyone can function normally with the orientation.
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Yes it is. Men are not equipped to be with other men. Women are not equipped to be with other women. Even my 4 yo knows that.
 
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