Is Islam a threat to Christianity around the globe?

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Lose the world, and millions of lost soul is the result of apathetic fatalism.
Evil must be fought against and good must be fought for. Otherwise evil will triumph.
I meant gaining the world as in not every single soul, but politically and militarily. IE, if the world was run by Muslim powers going by sharia law, but with non-Muslims still existent.

I have no doubt that the Church will never die or be wiped out. Christ promised such an event would never come.
 
The Ethiopians took up arms in defense of their Church against the terrorist marauder Gragn and won, at great personal loss to the position of the faith in their land (before Gragn, 9 out of 10 Oromo were Christian; after him, 9 out of 10 were Muslim). The Christians of Lebanon, primarily the Maronites, took up arms against the PLO and its allies in Lebanon and “won” (in the sense that PLO had to leave), at great personal loss to the position of the faith in their land (it wasn’t until the latter half of the 1970s, when the war was well underway, that Muslims finally outnumbered Christians in Lebanon, primarily due large scale immigration of Christians from the country, though that had been going on since the inter-confessional wars of 1840-1860 under the Ottomans). The Assyrians took up arms to save their people and their faith many, many times, and though they had been promised time and time again their own sovereign land by the colonial powers, it was once again ceded to the Arab Muslims because they were the numerically powerful ones, and those same Muslims called upon their religious compatriots the Kurds to massacre the Assyrians at the time of Iraq’s “liberation” in 1933 when the Assyrians refused to disarm themselves.

This is the reoccurring pattern for Christians under Islam, especially in the east. In Ethiopia’s case, they were able to call upon the Portuguese for help. If any Christian people are today threatened because of their religion, what technologically-advanced power would provide similar assistance? We don’t need to wonder. We only need to look at how the Assyrians, Armenians, Copts, and other Christians are constantly shafted by their “friends” in the West, all in the name of installing democracy among Muslims who hate it (I’m not saying all Muslims hate democracy; I am saying that democracy is considered to be a decadent western concept to many who would rather have Shari’a), or to keep good “relations” with these same oppressors, the Muslims (whether they are Arabs, Kurds, Turks…who cares…it’s all the same garbage).

So, yes, Islam is a threat to Christians (I don’t think Christianity itself will ever disappear, but it certainly might in certain locations), but our own apathy and squishiness is also to blame. We have the upper hand militarily, politically, and most importantly RELIGIOUSLY, but some of us are afraid to say it because we don’t want to be labeled “racists”. I’ll say it anyway, because Islam is not a race, it’s a corrosive ideology that rapes the world of its brightest sources of light in the name of creating a worldwide political theocracy that oppresses millions of Muslims together with less desirable people such as Christians, Jews, Hindus, etc. We are made into millet for the convenience of their rule, our children are made into janissaries, and suddenly woefully inadequate documents like the pact of Umar are to replace the REAL protection of the community and the faith that is guaranteed under truly pluralistic regimes like those in the West. And they have the nerve to tell us “real” Islam does only good for the world, Muslim and non-Muslim alike!

All Christian minorities in Muslim lands know better. Listen to them, not the rosy depictions of Christian-Muslim relations you’ll get from most other people (western Christians included).

A song to make everything clear (by Skendar Denho of occupied Assyria. Lyric translations provided with great thanks to translator Mr. John Beth Gabriel.)

Our country’s pride men and women have become martyrs of our nation
Their blood has painted our country red, to result in the freedom of our people

We have abandoned our houses and monasteries in the beautiful mountains and it has led to a great war towards our people by our enemies.

You have walked in the front of the young boys and girls towards our freedom
Michael, the martyr who died for our cause and guarded our lands, your shed blood will not be forgotten but forever echo in our minds.
By your martyrdom we swear that we will walk in your path and carry your rifle
For the holy land Mesopotamia of our forefathers we shall fight back

My brothers Francis, Fares, Yusuf Gawri B Dari, your people will not forget you but you shall forever live
The elder people along with the youth have risen from all parts to walk in your path and demand our rights from the people in the world.

Our loved martyrs, your are still alive and are the light and spirit of the nation, we swear to you that we will keep your memory alive.
We swear by your blood that we will no longer stand silent when we are attacked, but demand our rights under all circumstances.

And here is evidence of Christians defending themselves in Iraq. As one of the men says, “If we don’t defend ourselves, who will?” Amen, amen, amen!
 
… a single prostration to Allah (in prayer) will be better than the whole world and whatever is in it.

Enough said about the relative value of things in the end times.
 
Hello guys:

I am a new member of this forum.

I would not say Islam is a threat to Christianity, but I absolutely believe that Islam will triumph at the end, as this is what our prophet has told us. The hadeeths already posted above are true. The Jesus (May Allah’s peace be upon him) will come again and he will break the cross and defeat the Christians. Then there will be abundance of wealth to the extent that there will be no people left in this earth to take charity.

Again guys, I have no hatred against Christians, for I am an engineering student at an American University and I have many christian friends, but what our prophet has said is true and will happen!
 
Is the rise of Islam in America and around the world going to be dangerous to the spread and livelihood of Catholicism. I’ve read that the ultimate goal of Islam is to rule the world and to convert every non-believer(infidel) to Islam and if they cannot be converted then murder is justified. This I’ve also read is derived from their “most holy texts” the Qur’an and the Hadith of Bukhari. If you ask a devout Muslim about such claims he is liable to say anything in order to placate the situation because derived from the same texts is that it is appropriate to deceive or lie to infidels for the spread of Islam.

I’m still very young in my Catholic faith but what I understand is that the epitome of being a Catholic is to be a saint(spiritual perfection) by loving the Lord our God with all our heart, mind, and soul; and to love our neighbors as ourselves achieved through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
From my minimal research on Islam it seems the epitome of being a Muslim is to spread the world dominance of the religion using whatever means possible. Murder, Deception, Theft, TERROR. If these inherent evils lie deep in the hearts of all devout Muslims hidden in secret.
Could Islam be a global threat to Christianity in the near future?

website I got most these claims
www.thereligionofpeace.com
**I consider Islam a tremendous threat to Christianity, in general, and the West, in particular. Islam has almost always attacked both, beginning with the death of Muhammad, in AD 632. Muslim armies invaded Spain in AD 711, and weren’t driven out until AD 1492. In the meantime, they pressed the attack into France in AD 732, but were pushed back to Spain by Frankish, Catholic King Charles Martel at the Battle of Tours.

Next came the Muslim, Seljuk Turks, on the eastern front, who conquered Byzantine Anatolia, and sacked Constantinople, in AD 1453, which they never returned to Europe. They then marched into central Europe, where they were defeated at the Battle of Vienna. The Muslim Turks remained a formidable political and military force in Eastern Europe until the
AD 1800s.

The rise of Islam, beginning in the seventh century, almost automatically meant the loss of distinctly Christian cities throughout North Africa, the Middle East and present-day Turkey. Yes, I view Islam as a threat, no offense intended. **
 
um… Just a quick post. Does not The Roman Catholic Church Teach that the Moslems worship The Same God As The Christians Do?

scborromeo.org/ccc/para/841.htm

841 The Church’s relationship with the Muslims. “The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day.”
Are Muslims saved if they are worshiping a being that they think is GOD?

When I began my study on Islam I believed that Muslims did worship the creator, the same GOD as Jews and Christians.

Muslims I have spoken to don’t necessarily adore allah but are more afraid of him. Allah does not have a personal relationship with each of the Muslims the way YHWH does with each of us. Muslims don’t know HIS name. Their allah says you can only pray a certain way, facing a certain direction, using only arabic.

Muslims deny that the crucifixion even happened. There is one being that would want people to believe that, the satan/devil.

Pray for Muslims.
 
Not All Moslems are like what you are Describing. There are some that are nice. I think you guys are Over-Reacting. Persecution (sadly) happens. Preach, Don’t Persecute. I Find Secularism to be bad news, because it is focused on Worldly things. Muslims worship God just like we do, right?
No.

Did you know the only sure way for a Muslim to reach paradise:

9.111 Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur’an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.

They believe that the Gospel has been corrupted and that Jesus was never crucified.

Of course there are very wonderful Muslim people that are kind and loving-they do not follow Mohammad, the Quran and hadith.

Their golden rule is not in the Quran but hadith:
“None of you [truly] believes until he wishes for his brother what he wishes for himself.” Number 13 of Imam “Al-Nawawi’s Forty Hadiths.” This brother is a fellow Muslims. It is against sharia law to kill a fellow Muslim, but it is not against sharia to kill non-muslims.

Our golden rule ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’-your neighbor is everyone.
 
Since 9/11, reading up on Islam and its history of what it has done to other people…and the denial of evil by some Muslim posters of how Islam has expanded…I believe Muhammed is the False Prophet in the pool of fire…and the other threat is Red China.

The Red Dragon and the False Prophet…their reign is coming…the divisions within Christianity are destroying us…I look at the imagery of the river of blood and all the decapitations…

But they will be defeated…Scripture has promised it…

How Islam can justify itself in murder and lying…it is evil. Just these posters ignoring all the evil Islam has done is quite telling…and frightening.

I look at Italy, especially the south with the Catholic unity and spirit of fraternity…The Cathedral of Trani keeps the skulls of 800 Catholic men decapitated on their altar in memory…my priest friend is now pastor near by and the region has a history of invaders from the east…the Muslims were run out by other European powers coming in to help them.

I can see the grace of martyrdom in that region…will we have to shed blood to be one?
 
… a single prostration to Allah (in prayer) will be better than the whole world and whatever is in it.

Enough said about the relative value of things in the end times.
Dude. Don’t start. :rolleyes:
 
None of the above will ever happen. I know, it is true that misguided Muslims believe that:
  1. they must kill the non-believers,
  2. That all non-believrs are kafir.
  3. That religion of Islam should be spread by sword or other weapons of destruction.
  4. Many Muslims may be believing that they will get virgins in next life.
  5. That any one who leaves Islam (apostate) must be killed.
I tell you that none of the above is a true relection of the real religion i.e. Islam. That is all a misunderstood version of Islam.

And do not worry. No one will ever take over any western country. The laws of Sharia cannot be implemented by any force. I tell you that the Muslims have a false understanding of Jihad. They have been told by one sect since one hundred (100) ago that Jihad in present days is Haraam (illegal). But the bigots got that sect declared as heretic (Kafir).

It is true that most Muslims have an idea of a bloody Mahdi who will come to shed blood in the world. He will not spare any one. That is all false understanding of Islam. There is nothing to support it in the Quran. And the Hadith about those stories are all cooked Hadith.

The Muslims have a belief that Imam Mahdi will appear first and will be engaged in war with the anti christ. But will not advance. In the same time Jesus will arrive. They (Mahdi and Jesus) will work together to kill every one.

There is no end to all these false beliefs of the present day Muslims. Some misguided self style leaders have misled the lot of Muslims. Just forget all the bad beliefs of the Muslims. Don’t believe all you hear.

Also there is no virgin business in Paradise and no maternity homes will be there. The life of the next world is only spiritual. The milk and the honey and the good beautiful young companions are only symbolic words for the good things of Paradise. Quran and Hadith say " No one knows the exact nature of the good things of next world. No eye has seen them nor any heart has imagined the things that God has kept (reserved) for the believers, in the next life." So there is nothing material there.It is all spiritual. If any Muslim is hoping to find virgins in the next life then he is totally ignorant about Islam.

** In present times, Islam is a threat to itself, unless the Muslims repent and reform**.
 

There is no end to all these false beliefs of the present day Muslims. Some misguided self style leaders have misled the lot of Muslims. Just forget all the bad beliefs of the Muslims. Don’t believe all you hear.
That’s all well and good if true. Even if true, there are enough of the “misled Muslims” who have “bad beliefs” to be a problem for the rest of humanity. So we can’t just ignore them hoping they will go away or see the light and mend their ways.
 
Planten,

Iran is getting close to making nuclear bombs…and they would get into the hands of extremists…I pray all the time this won’t happen…

Right now the Palestinian and Iraqi Christians, ancient societies, are suffering tremendously…

And it is upsetting me when some Muslims come on here and ignore people and their grievances. They are very blind.
 
Hello guys:

I am a new member of this forum.

I would not say Islam is a threat to Christianity, but I absolutely believe that Islam will triumph at the end, as this is what our prophet has told us. The hadeeths already posted above are true. The Jesus (May Allah’s peace be upon him) will come again and he will break the cross and defeat the Christians. Then there will be abundance of wealth to the extent that there will be no people left in this earth to take charity.

Again guys, I have no hatred against Christians, for I am an engineering student at an American University and I have many christian friends, but what our prophet has said is true and will happen!
Welcome!

You seem to like the idea that a perfect God would wipe out Christians.

Good for you for such honesty.

I personally think it is a depraved God that would need to do such a thing. Another reason I can’t believe in God.

All Gods do this. And everyone thinks their God is on their side.

😦
 
None of the above will ever happen. I know, it is true that misguided Muslims believe that:
  1. they must kill the non-believers,
  2. That all non-believrs are kafir.
  3. That religion of Islam should be spread by sword or other weapons of destruction.
  4. Many Muslims may be believing that they will get virgins in next life.
  5. That any one who leaves Islam (apostate) must be killed.
I tell you that none of the above is a true relection of the real religion i.e. Islam. That is all a misunderstood version of Islam.

And do not worry. No one will ever take over any western country. The laws of Sharia cannot be implemented by any force. I tell you that the Muslims have a false understanding of Jihad. They have been told by one sect since one hundred (100) ago that Jihad in present days is Haraam (illegal). But the bigots got that sect declared as heretic (Kafir).

It is true that most Muslims have an idea of a bloody Mahdi who will come to shed blood in the world. He will not spare any one. That is all false understanding of Islam. There is nothing to support it in the Quran. And the Hadith about those stories are all cooked Hadith.

The Muslims have a belief that Imam Mahdi will appear first and will be engaged in war with the anti christ. But will not advance. In the same time Jesus will arrive. They (Mahdi and Jesus) will work together to kill every one.

There is no end to all these false beliefs of the present day Muslims. Some misguided self style leaders have misled the lot of Muslims. Just forget all the bad beliefs of the Muslims. Don’t believe all you hear.

Also there is no virgin business in Paradise and no maternity homes will be there. The life of the next world is only spiritual. The milk and the honey and the good beautiful young companions are only symbolic words for the good things of Paradise. Quran and Hadith say " No one knows the exact nature of the good things of next world. No eye has seen them nor any heart has imagined the things that God has kept (reserved) for the believers, in the next life." So there is nothing material there.It is all spiritual. If any Muslim is hoping to find virgins in the next life then he is totally ignorant about Islam.

** In present times, Islam is a threat to itself, unless the Muslims repent and reform**.
i get sick and tired of hearing how violent muslims are “misguided” and don’t really understand what their religion teaches. total, 100% b.s.
 
That’s all well and good if true. Even if true, there are enough of the “misled Muslims” who have “bad beliefs” to be a problem for the rest of humanity. So we can’t just ignore them hoping they will go away or see the light and mend their ways.
exactly. this is why it must be banned in the west. we can’t look at muslims and tell the bad ones from the good ones. and the bad ones want to slit our throats–even if they have to strap a bomb to their own child to do so.

let’s be honest: any time muslims become a majority, or supermajority, in a nation, the “good” muslims become completely irrelevant. they cower in fear and let the “bad” muslims kill whomever they want.

for those who don’t wany islam banned in the west, would you be comfortable with america being 60 percent islam? you better be–that’s where we are headed, although it may take a few generations to get there.
 
here’s how you know we’ve lost: anyone who criticizes islam can only do so anonymously. you don’t see media types taking islam on head-on. why? because they know that if they do, they will be killed just like the guy in holland who drew cartoons of mohammed. everybody lives in fear, even in the u.s., where muslims make up less than five percent of the population.
 
Yes. Islam is a threat to all non-Muslims because the ones who claim to be peaceful do nothing to change the Islam that isn’t peaceful. And those ones who claim to be peaceful are not as great in number as the ones who are deceiving us as to their peacefulness because of the sanctioned deception in Islam and because of the support of the Jihadists via zakat, or Muslim Charity.

The numbers of the ones in the sects that are more violent are much greater than the so called peaceful sects. Even the peaceful sects are treated as dhimmi, or are ok to kill if they don’t join the dominant and more violent sects in Islam.

The only thing positive I will say about Mohammed is that he was a strategic genius. ‘Whatever goes’ to advance Islam and ‘whatever goes’ if it is stifled. Do what it takes to advance it and do whatever it takes if they feel as if it is being stifled. Other than that he was a perverted, tormented mind.
 
I posted this here., but maybe it is more appropriate on this thread.
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The Muslims in the Middle East are very disgusted that us Americans talk about Islam and Mohammed in not such a glorious way. We don’t give them enough adulation it seems.

OIC places the United States in its crosshairs - but only in Arabic

Beware we are in their line of fire now. They are working/scheming on ways to shut us all up about any discussing of Islam. They have found that the internet is a very useful tool in educating the masses about Islam and its nastiness and that is totally against Sharia laws.

The Turks are all hot and bothered by Islamophobia too! Turkish PM: “Islamophobia” is a crime against humanity Never mind that the most intolerant and barbaric countries are the Islamic countries that follow Islam’s laws.

And then we have this one from Obama who places our country under an international police, Interpol. Unlike Reagon who required them to be fully accountable as our police are, Obama took that requirement away.

They are given full diplomatic immunity. We see many abuses in many who have that immunity. When I was in the military and stationed back East I read about murders committed by people who had diplomatic immunity and they could just walk away from it all. Nothing more said about what they did. I am sure that still happens, but with a police force having that same immunity? There is something wrong with this picture.

Now, who is Interpol run by? The French who rival the UK in selling out to the Muslims? I don’t know that much about Interpol and can not find who they are answerable to but it certainly bothers me this trend that Obama is taking us, and the other news about the OIC and Saudi Arabia.
 
Today on Fox news there was an interview with Liz Trotta. I taped the show and then copied what was said in the interview.

On America’s News 27 Dec 2009, Eric Holder

Interview with Liz Trotta, Author and Journalist
Eric talks about, Religion and what about the rest of the year? (mostly about Christians)
E: Exactly what is the media not doing that it should?
L: Well, exactly not doing and every Christmas we have a resurgence of stories of how the Christians are doing in the Middle East (ME), or how they are doing anywhere. But the rest of the year there’s really a bias against stories about Christian persecution throughout the world. I mean China is a good case in point.
But especially in teh ME where Christians are literally being driven out of places like Pakistan and Egypt and Iraq and the Palestinian territories and on and on it goes. And one can only deduct from this that either they (media) are so ignorant that, or they don’t have enough staff or brains to cover this ever burdgeoning story during the year or else there is some sort of political correctness against it where it might be very ‘in tune’ to talk about who the ‘good muslims’ are but about the persecuted Christians… that is not really ‘in tune’.
E: Do you think the editors, uh… is it something as simeple as it’s not Christmas time and it’s not really on their agenda no matter what the story is? It’s not up there on it’s editorial boards? You know, uh, ?
L: “agendas”, is exactly the word. And they have an agenda. And it’s a left wing agenda. And it always has been. And covering Christians has always had its own very strange biases. And of course at Christmas, Christians are fine. but when you have for example, weeks leading up to Christmas in Mosul, 40 people killed, 40 Christians killed in the kind of violence that is routine against them, we are talking nuns and priests, we’re talking bombings of Churches and Convents. I mean how could you, how can you possibly make the nuns a target of a bomb? All of these people when you have the Catholic Chaldean Bishop of Kirkuk saying, ‘look, no public demonstrations because its their holiday too. They have ‘Ashura’ which is something to do with their prophet Mohammed, so keep your heads down.’
I mean it’s this kind of thing. And of course its saddest tablo of all is Bethelehem. Where the Christians are… have left in droves and are leaving in droves. And so you have the birthplace of Christ slowly but surely probably becoming on the road to a caliphate for sure.
E: Do you think that your view that this is not focused on enough by the MSM and the newspapers? You’re saying it’s prejudiced basically?
L: Oh, it tremendous prejudice. And they are so caught up in Sunni and Shia and all the rest of that. And here is a partial list of people they ignore who are Christian: Coptics, Chaldeans, Maronites, Malchites, Latin Rite Catholics, Aremenians, Syrian Orthodox, Syrian Church of the East and that is just a partial list of the many people out there who are suffering terribly in the whole upheavel in the ME and they really can’t find a voice in the Western press.
E: And finally, now that we are leaving the Christmas season do you expect this to change any time?
L: No. Not at all. And I am sure that now this latest terrorist attack, we’re going to have a whole string of ‘good muslims’ talking about how much they decry all of this stuff. And Christians will just be left silent.
 
exactly. this is why it must be banned in the west. we can’t look at muslims and tell the bad ones from the good ones. and the bad ones want to slit our throats–even if they have to strap a bomb to their own child to do so.

let’s be honest: any time muslims become a majority, or supermajority, in a nation, the “good” muslims become completely irrelevant. they cower in fear and let the “bad” muslims kill whomever they want.

for those who don’t wany islam banned in the west, would you be comfortable with america being 60 percent islam? you better be–that’s where we are headed, although it may take a few generations to get there.
You are right but banning Islam won’t work. I wrote about that in a different thread and it won’t work because they will just say they are not Muslim anymore and that is IF they don’t cause a war within our borders more openly than they have already. Look at their history, it is very violent. Dying for their allah is a good thing in their eyes.

Stop the flow of money to all countries under Sharia laws or who practice them and practice the human rights abuses as they do today.

Stop political correctness when teaching history to our kids

Kick out all Muslim organizations in our institutiions, stop funding them, giving them tax exempt status (if they have it now) and do not tolerate any antisemitism, or anti-anything, from them.

If Islam is to be taught in the schools then so should the knowledge about sanctioned deception, teach about Jihad being a requirement and that 97% of it is taught as violence, and that Mohammed was all the things we usually say about him - pediphile, murderer, torturer, enslaver, etc.

Stop all segregation that Muslims demand under the disguise of modesty. It has nothing to do with modesty but their idea that others are dirty or they cannot/will not control themselves (such as being rapists if they see a neck, ankle, or a wrist).

If they don’t want to observe regular working hours then get a different job. Prayer times will be stopped, eating pork or whatever anyone wants around a Muslim is ok, and if they want to fast/gorge and demand that others do it too - well, that will stop. They can fast/gorge on their own and no one else has to observe such a rule.

Pork can be served in school cafeterias and if the Muslims don’t want it they don’t have to eat it.

…get my drift - start the separation of church and state for them too!
 
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