Is Islam compatible with democracy?

[StJeanneDArc]

Norwich:

You may be anti communist and you are quite right to deny it existance IN THE USA. But, if others want to embrace it THATS UP TO THEM NOT YOU!!!

Its called DEMOCRACY

That’s beautiful ! Let the people choose totalitarianism! One man, one vote, one time!

 

[jlw]

Norwich:

You may be anti communist and you are quite right to deny it existance IN THE USA. But, if others want to embrace it THATS UP TO THEM NOT YOU!!!

Its called DEMOCRACY

Huh??? Yeah, it’s like when the media called Saddam Hussien’s Iraq a “free” society because he held elections.

 

[Lance]

Norwich:

You may be anti communist and you are quite right to deny it existance IN THE USA. But, if others want to embrace it THATS UP TO THEM NOT YOU!!!

Its called DEMOCRACY

Stop screaming, you are the only one I am sure embraces communism. The people in Communist China are not free to select their form of government. Their leaders selected it for them. If you love it so much go live there, see how much they appreciate what you do for them

 

[gilliam]

Norwich:

You may be anti communist and you are quite right to deny it existance IN THE USA. But, if others want to embrace it THATS UP TO THEM NOT YOU!!!

Its called DEMOCRACY

Communism is Democracy? That’s a new one!

 

[Brad]

StJeanneDArc:

This poster is asserting that Islam is no different from any other religion, in that no religion is compatible with democracy. I say he’s wrong because Islam does not propose freedom of conscience and equal dignity. Muslims are more favored than others. As long as they’re adhering to that mindset the fervent Muslims will never allow non-Muslims self-determination.

You are 100% correct. This is exactly the reason America has thrived for the past 230 years and Muslim countries do not.

 

[Brad]

Norwich:

Maybe there is an even more fundamental question here,

Is democracy right for everyone?

There is a train of thinking that says each and every soveriegn nation should decide its own form of governmant, and that may mean a rejection of democracy.
China is a prime example, and before anyone tells me about the poor down trodden masses, I have worked there, I have lived with those outside the large cornubation centres so I do have a degree of understanding.
China has had an autocratic leadership for over 5,000 years. In that time it was the most advanced country of its time, including the European nations in both wealth and culture. We in the west are trying to impose OUR form of government onto them (democracy) and yet, when you talk to the normal Chinese man in the street, (yes, a lot of open political discussion went on but the strory of how and where is very complex and difficult to explain here, please just take it as read) the general opinion was “we are quite capable of sorting our own way in the World!”

So the question remains, do we have the right to impose our way of life on others?

In other words, what makes us right and them wrong?

You’ve got to be kidding.

If you are a Christian, the Chinese form of government is wrong because you cannot practice your faith except in the underground.

Further, you cannot question the government. Most of the people in China would say things are great because they don’t want the government to imprison them.

 

[Brad]

Norwich:

The greatest problem for those who celebrate the Mass in China is when some well meaning person from the western world decides to take it upon themselves to make a noise in the press etc. and create a reaction from Peking. The general message from the majority of Chinese Christians is for God sake “SHUT UP” and allow us to worship God quietly in our own way and in safety.

This is good? This is freedom? How on earth are you supposed to live the gospel and spread it to the ends of the earth as mandated by Jesus Christ?

I’m not surprised you found a way to blame China’s problems on westerners however.

You are going off the edge with your arguments. Now the Chines government is better than the US government. I guess that’s why everyone is lining up to apply for citizenship in China.

 

[Brad]

Fitz:

The Americans that follow the Islamic faith seem to think it is compatible. I have to think it is, when not taken to extremes like the terrorists. If they need to kill all people that are infidels, then not it is not compatible with democracy.

“Extremists” (killng the infidels) follow the faith as is taught by it’s major source, the Koran. Many American Muslims are equivalent to cafeterial Catholics in that they do not fully practice their faith but pick and choose that which is most comfortable to them. Ogviously this is not true for all American Muslims, in particular the ones that trained over in Afghanistan. However, in general, it is not practical to live in a free society and proclaim the truths of Islam that all infidels should be killed - they would have no prospect of success and very good prospect of failure.

 

[Norwich]

Brad:

You’ve got to be kidding.

If you are a Christian, the Chinese form of government is wrong because you cannot practice your faith except in the underground.

Practising Christianity is far harder in Saudi, and yet, we keep the Saudi government in power, we do not speak out against their religious intolerance, we do not impose sanctions or whatever on them, now why is that? wouldn’t have anything to do with the likes of Halliburton being closely tied to the extraction of oil by any chance. No, that a terible thing to say, that big business controls the White House, that nice Mr. GB is just a good Texan boy who has nothing to do with protecting the oil industry, he’s just a big cuddly philanthropist thats all!!!

 

[jlw]

Norwich:

Practising Christianity is far harder in Saudi, and yet, we keep the Saudi government in power, we do not speak out against their religious intolerance, we do not impose sanctions or whatever on them, now why is that? wouldn’t have anything to do with the likes of Halliburton being closely tied to the extraction of oil by any chance. No, that a terible thing to say, that big business controls the White House, that nice Mr. GB is just a good Texan boy who has nothing to do with protecting the oil industry, he’s just a big cuddly philanthropist thats all!!!

You insult our intelligence by…insulting your own.

Halliburton has been in the oil business for decades. Not connected to GWB any more than then they are to Ford, Carter, Reagan, GB1, or Clinton.

We tolerate Saudi Arabia for national economic security. It sucks, it isn’t ideal, and I would rather drill for oil in Alaska than deal with the Middle East.

National Security is not a clean business, never has been, probably never will. You should be intelligent enough to know that.

 

[Brad]

Norwich:

Practising Christianity is far harder in Saudi, and yet, we keep the Saudi government in power, we do not speak out against their religious intolerance, we do not impose sanctions or whatever on them, now why is that? wouldn’t have anything to do with the likes of Halliburton being closely tied to the extraction of oil by any chance. No, that a terible thing to say, that big business controls the White House, that nice Mr. GB is just a good Texan boy who has nothing to do with protecting the oil industry, he’s just a big cuddly philanthropist thats all!!!

You were explaining how pleasant the Chinese government is. I said it is not with some verifiable statements. You change the subject to Saudi Arabia. You want my opinion? Not a good government there either. But your point is off the wall. We do business with China as well as Saudi Arabia as well as almost every other country in the world. You are obviously biased against democracy, capitalism, and George W. Bush. Sorry to hear that. In your prayers tonight, thank God you have the right to express your discontent. I don’t think Bush is perfect but your anti-Bush stance effects almost everything you think and say here.

 

[Norwich]

Brad:

You were explaining how pleasant the Chinese government is. I said it is not with some verifiable statements. You change the subject to Saudi Arabia. You want my opinion? Not a good government there either. But your point is off the wall. We do business with China as well as Saudi Arabia as well as almost every other country in the world. You are obviously biased against democracy, capitalism, and George W. Bush. Sorry to hear that. In your prayers tonight, thank God you have the right to express your discontent. I don’t think Bush is perfect but your anti-Bush stance effects almost everything you think and say here.

Haven’t you noticed something, my so called anti Bush stance seems to be echoed by the vast majority (if not all) those who are not American. Now that should tell you something.

 

[gilliam]

Norwich:

Haven’t you noticed something, my so called anti Bush stance seems to be echoed by the vast majority (if not all) those who are not American. Now that should tell you something.

You didn’t vote for him?

 

[gilliam]

Norwich:

Practising Christianity is far harder in Saudi, and yet, we keep the Saudi government in power,

Because the option is to accept the rival in SA, which is Islamofacism.

 

[Norwich]

gilliam:

Because the option is to accept the rival in SA, which is Islamofacism.

Democracy my friend, democracy.

 

[Exporter]

Norwitch,
You are getting off topic. You wrote,“No, that a terible thing to say, that big business controls the White House, that nice Mr. GB is just a good Texan boy who has nothing to do with protecting the oil industry, he’s just a big cuddly philanthropist thats all!!!”

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Some of my ancestors left Scotland about 220 years ago. I have found Scots to be an agreeable people, but you not only got off topic, you attempted to slander the fact that President Geo. W. Bush grew up in Texas. What’s your problem? I grew up in Texas, do you want to slander me?

Also the Gov’t of our U.S.A. is Not a Democracy, it is a representative Democracy. Each citizen does not vote on every Bill, our representatives do the voting. Some will say we have a Republic!

 

[Lance]

Norwitch,
You are getting off topic. You wrote,“No, that a terible thing to say, that big business controls the White House, that nice Mr. GB is just a good Texan boy who has nothing to do with protecting the oil industry, he’s just a big cuddly philanthropist thats all!!!”

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Some of my ancestors left Scotland about 220 years ago. I have found Scots to be an agreeable people, but you not only got off topic, you attempted to slander the fact that President Geo. W. Bush grew up in Texas. What’s your problem? I grew up in Texas, do you want to slander me?

Also the Gov’t of our U.S.A. is Not a Democracy, it is a representative Democracy. Each citizen does not vote on every Bill, our representatives do the voting. Some will say we have a Republic!

Don’t let Norwich upset you, he is pro-communist, anti-American and is just here to try to cause trouble. He never gives a straight answer and if thing get over his head he changes the subject. I have decided to ignore him in the future. If we all do that he will go away.

 

[Norwich]

Norwitch,
You are getting off topic. You wrote,“No, that a terible thing to say, that big business controls the White House, that nice Mr. GB is just a good Texan boy who has nothing to do with protecting the oil industry, he’s just a big cuddly philanthropist thats all!!!”

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Some of my ancestors left Scotland about 220 years ago. I have found Scots to be an agreeable people, but you not only got off topic, you attempted to slander the fact that President Geo. W. Bush grew up in Texas. What’s your problem? I grew up in Texas, do you want to slander me?

Also the Gov’t of our U.S.A. is Not a Democracy, it is a representative Democracy. Each citizen does not vote on every Bill, our representatives do the voting. Some will say we have a Republic!

So are you telling me that GB is NOT influenced by big business and that the oil industry has NO say in policy? As far as whether you have a democracy, a representative democracy or a republic, I have no comment, its your country you do in it what you want, but, if you are going to claim, as most appear to do, that your system is what you want then, you should not complain when others operate the system they want. Whether its a democracy, an autocracy, communism or whatever, thats their choice, not yours.
The greatest resentment in the world at the moment is Americas and to a degree Western Europes insistance that everyone must be like them and if your not, then your an outsider who is wrong. My contention is very simple, people of a country make up their own mind what they are and what they want. You say your people were Scots who left many years ago, fine, that was their choice, others stayed, that was their choice. Are you saying those that stayed were wrong because they (presumably) disagreed with your ancestors? Of course not and, if they were right to make their own choices then why not other people now?

 

[StJeanneDArc]

Norwich:

Practising Christianity is far harder in Saudi, and yet, we keep the Saudi government in power, we do not speak out against their religious intolerance, we do not impose sanctions or whatever on them, now why is that? wouldn’t have anything to do with the likes of Halliburton being closely tied to the extraction of oil by any chance. No, that a terible thing to say, that big business controls the White House, that nice Mr. GB is just a good Texan boy who has nothing to do with protecting the oil industry, he’s just a big cuddly philanthropist thats all!!!

You are incorrect–the State Department has finally called a spade a spade. They have declared Saudi Arabia to be repressive of religious freedoms.

Actually the Saudi system is exhibit A in the theory that Islam is not compatible with democracy. They are some of the most fervent Muslims in the world, and look at the repressive government they have.

We can debate whether to impose sanctions on them.

 

[Matt25]

StJeanneDArc:

You are incorrect–the State Department has finally called a spade a spade. They have declared Saudi Arabia to be repressive of religious freedoms.

Actually the Saudi system is exhibit A in the theory that Islam is not compatible with democracy. They are some of the most fervent Muslims in the world, and look at the repressive government they have.

We can debate whether to impose sanctions on them.

Its significant that the US Government waited until they had control of the worlds second largest oil supply before they started criticising the country that had control of largest one.