Is Islam responsible for 9/11?

[SalamKhan]

Could you please enlighten us? Explain to us, these concepts, the theory of abrogation (naskh), the authenticity of Hadiths, and the theory of consensus?

And then please demonstrate an actual example of these concepts.

 

[SalamKhan]

I just love how there are non Muslims, who although being ignorant of Islam, feel so confident in telling you what Islam is about, but will probably never ask Muslims what Islam is about.

 

[SaberBob]

SK,

First, are you implying that no one can make any knowledgble statement about other religions not his own?

Second, are you denying there is Koranic abbrogation?

Third, are you denying the established ranking of the collections of aHaddith and the authenticity of particular Haddith?

Finally, are you denying the authority of Ijma in both Sunni and Shia?

 

[upant]

If you mean the Qur’an, is it not also true that the Hebrew Bible and the New Testament can and have been misinterpreted as well by some and used by both insiders and outsiders to the particular religion as a social and political justification for committing immoral acts?

what do the books teach?

compare the lives of Jesus and Muhammad as prophets, then look at the foundations of the books. what did the teachers teach?

 

[SalamKhan]

Okay, since you answered my question with more questions, I will assume you actually can’t answer my question. Thus, my point about ignorant non Muslims…

First, are you implying that no one can make any knowledgble statement about another religions not his own?

It’s just a trend I’ve been noticing. “Don’t be fooled by Muslims saying this, I’ll tell you what Islam is about…”

I can’t really speak for the Shiahs, but as far as Sunni scholars go, there are three mindsets (for lack of a better term):

Conservative- the earliest forerunner to this type of mentality arguably being Imam Shafi of the 8th century.

Puritan- the earliest forerunners to this type of mentality arguably being the Hanbalis of the 9th century.

Moderate- not sure about forerunners, but in modern times the likes of Muhammad Abduh & Rashid Rida championed the mindset.

Moderate scholars generally disregard the three concepts of naskh, isnad & ijma, because they are flawed concepts.

Conservative & puritan scholars hold these concepts in high regard, but do they share the same view of jihad as the violent radicals, who are only 0.01% of the Muslim population? Let’s say a well known conservative scholar, such as the late Syrian scholar Dr Said Ramadan al Bouti, did he agree with the violent radicals on jihad?

 

[SaberBob]

SK,

Essentially, you said yes to 1, utterly side stepped both 2 & 3 and smoke screened 4.

As others have addressed before, the % of active Jihadist-terrorists is dwarfed by the sympatico Muslim populations they “swim in”. By NO means does all of a Muslim Ummah anywhere support strict Sharia, sometimes the support is well below a majority, but multiple polls and studies show the support for Sharia alone can be significant, and a devoted minority can easily give support to the actual terrorists–witness how the active “Troubles” era IRA never exceeded the participants and spectators at a typical Little League game, yet because of sympathizer support, the IRA gave the British fits for decades.

 

[pnewton]

I just love how there are non Muslims, who although being ignorant of Islam, feel so confident in telling you what Islam is about, but will probably never ask Muslims what Islam is about.

That is very true. However, it is the same ignorance that gives us inability to argue with those that say they are killing in the name of Allah. And there are still many who do, and who do so as part of Islam. Non-Muslims have no ability argue that they are not. If Muslims do not stop violence in the name of Islam, then such violence cannot be stopped without violence.

 

[Eric_Hyom]

But when I see GWB attacking Iraq unjustly,

I agree, and the outcome was that tens of thousands died, the country was destabilised; resulting in around two million people becoming refugees. How will these people ever get justice?

All i can say with certainty is that Muslims are the only ones strapping bombs to themselves for their god.

If a family has lost a loved one, then lost their home and possessions because they are now refugees, what judge will listen to their story? I believe they are strapping on bombs because they have been deprived of any hope of justice. This has little to do with God.

But when I see GWB attacking Iraq unjustly, IMO, I do not blame Christianity because that is not what Christ taught. GWB was man not following the tenets of the faith, imo.

Agreed, and maybe, we need to try and be more understanding about Islam too.

 

[Conspiracy_Theorist]

For any muslims: can you answer why Muhammad command you to fight (kill) against all Kuffar/Kafir until they follow Muhammad as their prophet of Allah?

"It is reported on the authority of Abu Huraira that he heard the Messenger of Allah say:

I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer, and pay Zakat and if they do it, their blood and property are guaranteed protection on my behalf except when justified by law, and their affairs rest with Allah." (Sahih Muslim, Book 1, Hadith 34).

 

[SalamKhan]

Essentially, you said yes to 1, utterly side stepped both 2 & 3 and smoke screened 4.

Yes, because calling those concepts flawed is side stepping your questions.

As others have addressed before, the % of active Jihadist-terrorists is dwarfed by the sympatico Muslim populations they “swim in”. By NO means does all of a Muslim Ummah anywhere support strict Sharia, sometimes the support is well below a majority, but mu

Excuse me? Why didn’t you go to the links I posted since you love polls & statistics so much?

 

[CatholicELATeacher]

You presume wrongly.

 

[CatholicELATeacher]

Yes. And you can make that 100%.
Catholic school, Catholic history. If someone wants their child to learn the glories of Islam, the state-run school is the best choice. I choose to give it short shrift.

 

[Tolle_Lege]

Yes. And you can make that 100%.
Catholic school, Catholic history. If someone wants their child to learn the glories of Islam, the state-run school is the best choice. I choose to give it short shrift.

You are truly doing the work of God as you stated. The prevailing mindset over the last 60 or so years, and one even seemingly encouraged by many in the Church herself these days, is for Catholics to be mere doormats. To be run roughshod by secularism, Islam, feminism, and any other anti-Catholic agenda. Thankfully, many in the Church today are embracing a more standard definition of being “the Church Militant.”

 

[Niblo]

For any muslims: can you answer why Muhammad command you to fight (kill) against all Kuffar/Kafir until they follow Muhammad as their prophet of Allah?

"It is reported on the authority of Abu Huraira that he heard the Messenger of Allah say:

I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer, and pay Zakat and if they do it, their blood and property are guaranteed protection on my behalf except when justified by law, and their affairs rest with Allah." (Sahih Muslim, Book 1, Hadith 34).

We need to understand what is meant by the words ‘kufr’ and ‘kafir’.

Some render the word ‘kafir’ as ‘infidel’. This is incorrect. The word ‘infidel’ was coined in the mid-15th century. It is derived from the Middle French ‘infidèle’, or Latin ‘īnfidēlis’; meaning ‘not faithful’; and was used by Christians to denote anyone who was not of that Faith (in practice, Jews and Muslims). The word does not exist in classical Arabic, and is not found in the Qur’an.

The words ‘kufr’ and ‘kafir’ are derived from the root K-F-R (kafara); one meaning of which is ‘to cover’ or ‘to conceal’:

‘Bear in mind that the present life is just a game, a diversion, an attraction, a cause of boasting among you, of rivalry in wealth and children. It is like plants that spring up after the rain: their growth at first delights the sowers (‘l-kufāra’), but then you see them wither away, turn yellow, and become stubble. There is terrible punishment in the next life as well as forgiveness and approval from God; the life of this world is only an illusory pleasure.’ (Al-Hadid: 20)

A sower covers the seed at planting time; and because of this may be called (without any pejorative implication) a ‘kafir’ – ‘one who covers’.

‘Kufr’ becomes a sin when a believer (Jew, Christian or Muslim) deliberately buries – in their heart – what they know to be true, in order to disobey. ‘I know I shouldn’t do this, but I’m going to do it anyway….just for now……it’ll be alright.’

John Calvin captures the meaning of ‘kufr’ (in this context) when he writes:

‘I say, therefore, that he sins against the Holy Spirit who, while so constrained by the power of divine truth that he cannot plead ignorance, yet deliberately resists, and that merely for the sake of resisting.’ (‘Institutes of the Christian Religion; Book 3; Chapter 3; Section 22).

The word ‘kafir’ is also used to denote one who is ungrateful; one who refuses to acknowledge favours given by their Lord.

Puritan Muslims use ‘kafir’ as a term of abuse; applying it especially to Christians and Jews. This is not correct. Indeed, according to the Encyclopedia of Islam, a Muslim commits an offence if he accuses a Christian or a Jew of unbelief (cf. Encyclopedia of Islam: second edition).

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[Niblo]

There is no command to kill non-Muslims simply for being non-Muslims; or to compel then to accept Muhammad (sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam) as their Prophet; or indeed to accept Islam as their religion.

I refer you to the book: ‘Fatwa on Terrorism and Suicide Bombings’ by Shaykh-ul-Islam Dr Muhammad Tahir-ul-Qadri. In his introduction to this book, Dr Joel S. Hayward – Dean of the Royal Air Force College, Cranwell, and Head of Air Power Studies, King’s College London – writes (my emphasis):

‘In March 2010 I breathed a huge sigh of relief when I read that an internationally renowned Islamic scholar, recognised throughout the world as an authority on the Qur’an and the Sunna, had issued a prodigiously researched fatwa which demonstrated from scrupulously reliable sources that terrorism and suicide bombings are so wickedly unjust and un-Islamic that their evil cannot be justified by recourse to discussions of intention.

‘The Shaykh’s scholarship is remarkable. The fatwa rests upon a granite-solid foundation of research and references from the Qur’an, reliable Hadith of established provenance, opinions of the Beloved Prophet’s Companions and the classical texts of Islamic scholarship that are widely accepted by all main schools of thought………Carefully selected for their reliability and clarity, the citations are employed by the Shaykh with obvious and commendable scholarly concern for precision and accuracy and after all issues of truth, objectivity and bias have been carefully weighed on the scales of his mind. In selecting sources, building his case brick-by-brick and expressing his argument powerfully and clearly, he has demonstrated profoundly good judgment.

‘(The Shaykh) has left no stone unturned in his determination to demonstrate that there can be no possible justification for deliberate violence in the name of Islam outside of the context of organised warfare . This is itself only permissible when undertaken according to strict criteria based only on self-defence and adherence to justice…… Indeed, the Shaykh demonstrates that suicide bombings and other forms of terrorism are so unjust and wicked that they place the perpetrators outside of Islam. That is, these acts are the acts of unbelievers, not martyrs, and they will expose those who do them to the gravest likelihood of eternal punishment after death.’

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[Niblo]

Dr Joel S. Hayward goes on:

‘As a strategic thinker who studies and teaches on war, ethics and justice, I have worried for a decade about the unnecessary misunderstandings that seem to divide the world’s communities and I have felt gnawing frustration that so few actions have eased tensions or reduced suspicions and hatreds. I genuinely believe that Shaykh-ul-Islam Dr Muhammad Tahir-ul-Qadri’s marvellous fatwa should be read by everyone. It is the most important single work yet to appear that has any chance of explaining to the Islamic community what most Muslims intuitively believe but sometimes cannot adequately convey: the precise reasons why terrorism can never be condoned and must always be condemned. Dr Tahir-ul-Qadri’s fatwa is also the most likely of all publications in recent years to convince any non-Muslim readers or observers that Islam advocates peace, love and harmony and decries all unjust violence. Most importantly, if we are able to get this fabulous fatwa into the hands of any misguided Muslims, it just might, God willing, prevent them from committing un-Islamic acts of barbarity in the name of a great religion of peace.’

One ḥādīth, taken in isolation (and which, in any case, does not contain the word ‘kill’) does not negate the fact that Islam declares it unlawful:

To commit suicide.

To indiscriminately kill, or to torture, Muslims.

To indiscriminately kill, or to torture, non-Muslims. This includes the killing, or torture, of women; of children, of the elderly; of religious leaders; of traders and farmers; of service personnel (doctors, nurses, police officers; firefighters, and so on); and of non-combatants. It is unlawful to wage night-offensives against non-Muslims, or to break into their homes and loot them.

Or that it is unlawful:

To kill foreign delegates.

To force one’s beliefs upon others, and to destroy their places of worship. Non-Muslims have an absolute and inalienable right to practise their religion. Their places of worship must be safeguarded.

To perpetrate acts of terror against non-Muslims – even in times of war.

The Fatwa contains statements from contemporary Salafi scholars against terrorists; these scholars are: Shaykh Muhammad Nasir Al-Din Al-Albani; Shaykh Ibn Baz; Shaykh Salih Al-Fawzan; and Mufti Nadhir Husayn Al-Dihlawi.

Read the book.

 

[CatholicELATeacher]

Thank you!
Church Militant, absolutely. I remind my students to respect the rights of others to worship as they choose. Such respect does not include believing that other religions are true. Belief in the Gospel precludes belief in the Koran, the Bhagavad Gita, etc.

 

[CatholicELATeacher]

The Common Core history textbook I’m using (out of necessity) gives more print to the rise of Islam then it does to the rise of Christianity. Go figure. Tomorrow I’m going to point this out to my students. They have battles ahead, and must be vigilant against secularism and its attacks on the Catholic Christian faith.

 

[CatholicELATeacher]

Yes, Social Studies in K-8 schools in the USA essentially means history and geography.

 

[Tolle_Lege]

Yes, Social Studies in K-8 schools in the USA essentially means history and geography.

But as you know, what it really has become is a re-defining of history where everything done in the name of the Christian faith or by white people is now understood as oppression and bigotry.