Is Islam true; how do I know it is not

[EndTimes]

The Catholic Church acknowledges and even respects that some of what is true
indeed can be found within some other religions and belief systems.

Catholicism is far closer to Islam than it is to say - Atheism and AntiChristianity…

Allah … is akin to God the Father

JESUS (ISA) is a major Prophet… Mary (Maryam) is His Virgin Mother.

The Breath of God - is akin to God’s Holy Spirit

Et Cet.

We’re called to Dialogue…

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[melonhead]

Quran 4:89, for starters.

Then look at the examples of Mohammed’s behavior, as illustrated in the hadith.

 

[DeSales111]

There is only one religion from God, the God of the Jews is the same God for Christians. Jesus is the same I AM. Just because the description changed after Christ came does not mean it’s a different religion. It is there same religion, only fulfilled.

 

[JSRG]

JSRG:

if anything a rhetorical device

Well, that seems like a way to get around the question.

It seems fairly obvious that they did tell people on the basis that it was written down at all. It simply ends prior to the point where they told people. The rhetorical device is simply an explanation for why Mark opted to end at an odd point like that–but whatever his reason for doing so, the fact is there is not a contradiction here.

I guess you can say the same thing about white horses in heaven. It is not an error but only a rhetorical device.

Why would there being white horses in heaven be an error? I’m confused.

 

[AlNg]

Why would there being white horses in heaven be an error? I’m confused.

So you would say that there are in fact white horses in heaven?

 

[JSRG]

JSRG:

Why would there being white horses in heaven be an error? I’m confused.

So you would say that there are in fact white horses in heaven?

Probably. Revelation 19:14 technically only says that they were riding out on white horses, it’s theoretically possible they aren’t there currently and will be poofed into existence later.

Is there some kind of problem if there are white horses in heaven? I’m very confused what your point is supposed to be with this.

 

[AlNg]

Is there some kind of problem if there are white horses in heaven?

I thought that animals did not have immortal souls and when they died that was it, i.e., their soul did not live on. At least I thought that was the teaching of Pope Pius IX?
Supposing this teaching of Pope Pius IX were true, how could there be dogs, cats, horses, pigs, goats, crocodiles, sharks, lobsters, crawfish, lizards, snails or any other animals or reptiles in heaven? There is another question. If a cow or a chicken or a horse has an immortal soul, is it right to kill and eat them?

 

[CaptainPrudeman]

how could there be dogs, cats, horses, pigs, goats, crocodiles, sharks, lobsters, crawfish, lizards, snails or any other animals or reptiles in heaven?

Heaven is the domain of God. If God wills there to be animals in Heaven, even carbon copies of those on Earth, then there are animals in Heaven. They don’t need immortal souls, they are simply remade.

 

[JSRG]

JSRG:

Is there some kind of problem if there are white horses in heaven?

I thought that animals did not have immortal souls and when they died that was it, i.e., their soul did not live on. At least I thought that was the teaching of Pope Pius IX?
Supposing this teaching of Pope Pius IX were true, how could there be dogs, cats, horses, pigs, goats, crocodiles, sharks, lobsters, crawfish, lizards, snails or any other animals or reptiles in heaven? There is another question. If a cow or a chicken or a horse has an immortal soul, is it right to kill and eat them?

Assuming that was the teaching of Pius IX and it is correct, that would only mean that these are not horses that died on Earth and then went to heaven. There is no reason God could not either independently create horses specifically for heaven or simply transport existing horses there.

 

[AlNg]

They don’t need immortal souls,

How would they live forever if they are not immortal?

 

[VanitasVanitatum]

How would they live forever if they are not immortal?

Because God can make them immortal.

 

[CaptainPrudeman]

There is no death in Heaven. All in Heaven is eternal, uncorrupted.

 

[AlNg]

That book uses symbols.

Because God can make them immortal.

Wait. So the white horses in heaven are immortal because God made them so? And the reference to white horses in heaven is not symbolic after all?

If God wills there to be animals in Heaven, even carbon copies of those on Earth, then there are animals in Heaven. They don’t need immortal souls

So you can live immortally in heaven, but without an immortal soul. I thought that the soul was the principle of life. How can something live immortally for all eternity but not have a soul?

 

[Anrakyr]

So you can live immortally in heaven, but without an immortal soul. I thought that the soul was the principle of life. How can something live immortally for all eternity but not have a soul?

Immortal soul just means if the body dies the soul doesn’t die with it. If the body of a non immortal soul never dies then neither will the soul.

 

[Annie]

If I tell a child her mother is pregnant because her father gave her mother a seed, it is because I am explaining at a level he can understand.

We do not have words for a lot of stuff in Heaven because right now, it is beyond our ken. God explains things to us in ways we can understand. To say the Bible is full of errors because of this is to be absurdly literalistic.

 

[AlNg]

We do not have words for a lot of stuff in Heaven because right now, it is beyond our ken. God explains things to us in ways we can understand.

So are there white horses in heaven?

There is no reason God could not either independently create horses specifically for heaven

So this would be independently creating horses in heaven without following the laws of biological evolution?

 

[whatistrue]

So are there white horses in heaven?

You know, for our purposes here on Earth, does it actually matter? And if so, why does it matter? I figure I will know one day, but I am not in a hurry to find out.

 

[Jesuslover]

Animals here on earth do not have a soul, which means when they die they simply cease to exist. Heaven is a perfection of God’s creation, which means that animals there do not die because death is a consequence of the sinful state of Earth. And something does not need to have a soul to exist eternally. The Bible describes a “New Jerusalem” which will be the City of God. Do you think the buildings in this city have souls? But they still exist eternally.

 

[AlNg]

Do you think the buildings in this city have souls? But they still exist eternally.

They are not living conscious beings.

God explains things to us in ways we can understand. To say the Bible is full of errors because of this is to be absurdly literalistic.

Protestants often accuse Catholics of being “absurdly literalistic” with reference to Matthew 26: 26 - 28.

 

[Annie]

Protestants often accuse Catholics of being “absurdly literalistic” with reference to Matthew 26: 26 - 28.

Aside from extra-Biblical evidence for takkng the verses seriously, I am usually inclined to take the interpretation of the authors, compilers, decision-makers, and disciples of the authors over interpretations which pop up over 1000 years later.