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There is what I think is called a “channel” on youtube.com. The “apostate prophet” is a man who was brought up in Islam but is now an apostate from Islam. He says he is an atheist, but he has many videos where he takes apart many subtle teachings of the Quran and Islam. I am a believing and practicing Catholic and so I have not studied Islam to any great extent.
But, I know what Catholic thinkers say about Islam – that it is an external heresy of Christianity and Judaism – which means that it takes many ideas from the other religions – monotheism, heaven, hell, etc – but Islam spins them into something that is not recognizable. Muhammed apparently was influenced by the Arian heresy that was widespread in the 6th century, that Jesus was not God, but merely a man – so that’s what Muhammed said. That is a central part of the heresy of Islam, but there are others.
Islam is loaded with “illogical” propositions, such as that Muslims are better than non-muslims, and that Muslims can and should kill non-believers. It is also imbued with sexual fantasy about the afterlife where a good Muslim man will be met by two virgins, but a martyr will be met by 72 virgins in heaven – this inherently says that being in heaven with Allah is not so good in itself but only if heaven is also a sexual playground.
On youtube,com, the Apostate Prophet goes into many scientific errors of the Quran, and many, as you say, illogical statements. Even the practrice of worshipping in Mecca at that big black cube is not originally a Muslim concept, but was adopted from a ,more ancient pagan religion in the area. But, what religion doesn’t need a ceremony, right? so the pagan ritual was handy, so there you have it.
But, I know what Catholic thinkers say about Islam – that it is an external heresy of Christianity and Judaism – which means that it takes many ideas from the other religions – monotheism, heaven, hell, etc – but Islam spins them into something that is not recognizable. Muhammed apparently was influenced by the Arian heresy that was widespread in the 6th century, that Jesus was not God, but merely a man – so that’s what Muhammed said. That is a central part of the heresy of Islam, but there are others.
Islam is loaded with “illogical” propositions, such as that Muslims are better than non-muslims, and that Muslims can and should kill non-believers. It is also imbued with sexual fantasy about the afterlife where a good Muslim man will be met by two virgins, but a martyr will be met by 72 virgins in heaven – this inherently says that being in heaven with Allah is not so good in itself but only if heaven is also a sexual playground.
On youtube,com, the Apostate Prophet goes into many scientific errors of the Quran, and many, as you say, illogical statements. Even the practrice of worshipping in Mecca at that big black cube is not originally a Muslim concept, but was adopted from a ,more ancient pagan religion in the area. But, what religion doesn’t need a ceremony, right? so the pagan ritual was handy, so there you have it.
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You admit that you have: ‘…not studied Islam to any great extent.’ Why then should anyone trust what you have to say about it; or your judgement about the veracity of claims made by others?Islam is loaded with “illogical” propositions, such as that Muslims are better than non-muslims, and that Muslims can and should kill non-believers. It is also imbued with sexual fantasy about the afterlife where a good Muslim man will be met by two virgins, but a martyr will be met by 72 virgins in heaven – this inherently says that being in heaven with Allah is not so good in itself but only if heaven is also a sexual playground.
Please reference any Quranic verses that support the statements shown above. Thank you.
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Thank you for reading my comments. First, I admit that I only have a casual understanding of Islam, Did I say something that was not correct? If you ARE familiar with the Quran, then please tell me where I am wrong.
I referred to the “apostate prophet” on youtube.com, to which I again suggest to you. He HAS studied the Quran and my recent information is from watching hours of his videos.
I referred to the “apostate prophet” on youtube.com, to which I again suggest to you. He HAS studied the Quran and my recent information is from watching hours of his videos.
You watch hours of Ridvan Aydemir. Very good. I have a book by a Dr Peter S. Rickman - an evangelical pastor. It’s entitled: ‘Why I Am Not a Catholic’; and it is both vile and inaccurate. I know this, because I was a Catholic for most of my adult life (I’m now 74); and I know what the Church is, and what it is she teaches. It would seem that you are not in any position to assess the work of Aydemir, so I wonder why you would recommend him.Thank you for reading my comments. First, I admit that I only have a casual understanding of Islam, Did I say something that was not correct? If you ARE familiar with the Quran, then please tell me where I am wrong.
I referred to the “apostate prophet” on youtube.com, to which I again suggest to you. He HAS studied the Quran and my recent information is from watching hours of his videos.
My interest is in what you have to say.
Are you admitting that you make claims about
Islam, not knowing whether or not they are correct? Forgive me, but it seems that way.
It is always the case that the burden of proof rests with the one making the claim; and so I ask again, please reference any Quranic verses that support the claims you have made. We will then be in a position to discuss them, should you wish to do so.
I’m away to my bed now, so take as much time as you need.
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Sleep well, Niblo. What I know or think about Islam is based on individuals who have studied Islam from the Quran itself or from history. So, my response to you is that my knowledge is secondary, and not primary. I trust my sources. They agree with the “apostate prophet” on you Certainly one thongtube.com. I recommend him because he has first hand knowledge of the Quran and Islam, he lived the life and he walked away from it.
You “were” a Catholic? Are you now a Muslim? Certainly one aspect of Islam that I admire is the daily devotion and prayer of Muslims. As the Book of Revelation says it, Jesus abhors his believers who are lukewarm.
You “were” a Catholic? Are you now a Muslim? Certainly one aspect of Islam that I admire is the daily devotion and prayer of Muslims. As the Book of Revelation says it, Jesus abhors his believers who are lukewarm.
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No it’s not… .It is very clear the gospels are inaccurate
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An article citing verses from the Koran which incite ciolence against non-Muslims: The Quran's Verses of Violence
The Quran contains at least 109 verses that speak of war with nonbelievers, usually on the basis of their status as non-Muslims. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called ‘hypocrites’ and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.
Top 10 Koran verses for understanding ISIS: Answering Muslims: Top Ten Quran Verses for Understanding ISISUnlike nearly all of the Old Testament verses of violence, most verses of violence in the Quran are open-ended, meaning that they are not necessarily restrained by historical context contained in the surrounding text (although many Muslims choose to think of them that way). They are part of the eternal, unchanging word of Allah, and just as relevant or subject to interpretation as anything else in the Quran.
Koran suggests taqqiyah: Taqiyya, holy deception, Qur’an 5:32 – Winds of JihadQur’an 9:5 —Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
The Qur’an in a variety of verses (2:225, 3:28, 3:54, 9:3, 16:106, 40:28, and 66:2) establishes the religious legitimacy of breaking oaths, lying, unilaterally violating treaties, and generally scheming against non-Muslims. Â Allah Himself is described as “the best of schemers” (3:54, 8:30, 10:21), and Muhammad declared, as a justification for murdering unarmed prisoners after offering them safe passage, “war is deceit”
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Why do you call yourself “Catholic Man” when it obvious you are not Catholic?
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Because the Son of God came to us in our midst and announced a new Church. Since that time, the world no longer needs to waste time seeking a new church or religion.
Wasting time is accurate since this time should all be offered now to the cause of the new Founder. Drifting off to seek other religions or experimenting with them is disingenuous to God, since all our time from the time one learns of the truth, must be expended in service to that new Church and not seeking things that are redundant. Once the Truth is known, we become loyal soldiers to that cause.
Wasting time is accurate since this time should all be offered now to the cause of the new Founder. Drifting off to seek other religions or experimenting with them is disingenuous to God, since all our time from the time one learns of the truth, must be expended in service to that new Church and not seeking things that are redundant. Once the Truth is known, we become loyal soldiers to that cause.
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stop asking what is truth what is not. You will never know for sure, but take a leap of faith what makes most sense. And what makes most sense is Catholicism. And when you enter the door then it will open for you whole tresaure of Truth. I know, I did the same!
God bless you!
God bless you!
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AlNg
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Today Catholics are tolerant of other faiths. However, in the past, was it not true that non-believers (heretics) were put on the rack and tortured and made to confess and that if they did not repent of their non-belief they were handed over to the state to be burned alive at the stake?Mohammed said the same. But then said to treat non-believers as 2d class subjects and to make them pay a protection tax.
Is it charitable to put a person on the rack and stretch him out and then burn him alive?Jesus said to love each other
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AlNg
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Since these things are true, why did the Pope kiss the Koran?
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AlNg
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Not so because Jews do not accept the Trinity.Christianity is the same religion as the Jewish religion of the Passover.
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Annie
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A heretic and an unbeliever are totally different.
A heretic was someone who apostasized and tried to drag others with him. The Church would try to discuss his ideas with him, and to ger him to stop teaching his heresy, but the heretic would refuse.
Because religion and the state at that tine were closely bound, and because the heretic was endangering not the present lives but the eternal lives of those around him, his crime was like that of a traitor and seditionist.
It is for this reason he would be put to death.
And at that time, yes, it was considered loving to try to reconcile a mortal sinner with God, since the alternative was eternity in Hell.
A heretic was someone who apostasized and tried to drag others with him. The Church would try to discuss his ideas with him, and to ger him to stop teaching his heresy, but the heretic would refuse.
Because religion and the state at that tine were closely bound, and because the heretic was endangering not the present lives but the eternal lives of those around him, his crime was like that of a traitor and seditionist.
It is for this reason he would be put to death.
And at that time, yes, it was considered loving to try to reconcile a mortal sinner with God, since the alternative was eternity in Hell.
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AlNg
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Is that how it is in Saudi Arabia today?Because religion and the state at that tine were closely bound, and because the heretic was endangering not the present lives but the eternal lives of those around him, his crime was like that of a traitor and seditionist.
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Annie
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We never killed people who merely apostasized.
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AlNg
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What about Jean Valliere?We never killed people who merely apostasized.
Or Thomas Benet?
Or Katarzyna Zalasowska?
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Hello again.Sleep well, Niblo.
Many thanks for the ‘sleep well’; and yes, I am a Muslim. You might want to read my profile.
In July 2019, Norman Young interviewed Ridvan Aydemir (this interview is published in the site WesternFreePress.com). In Part 1 of the interview, Aydemir declares that he is: ‘A former Muslim who has ‘thoroughly studied Islam’; my emphasis.
In Part 2 of the interview, Aydemi declares: ‘Furthermore, the Quran explicitly insults other religious groups numerous times, calling them names like the “worst of creatures,”’
This is perfectly true. The Qur’an most certainly does refer to People of the Book (Jews and Christians) as the ‘worst of creation’. Aydemi – having stated this truth – offers no clarification, no explanation. His purpose is to convince his audience – mainly Christians – that Islam hates them. He does so, knowing that those Christians who cherish this notion will look no further. Why would they want to – after all, Aydemi is a former Muslim, and – by default – an expert in Islam!
Let’s dig a little deeper. The relevant verses are found in sūrah Al-Bayyina. This is the verse Aydemi has in mind:
‘Those who disbelieve among the People of the Book and the idolaters will have the Fire of Hell, there to remain. They are the worst of creation.’ (verse 6 – my emphasis).
You will see that the verse condemns only those Jews and Christian who do not truly believe; who pay only lip service to their respective faiths. Hypocrites, if you like. Aydemi, of course, doesn’t mention this.
The sūrah goes on: ‘Those who believe and do good deeds are the best of creation. Their reward with their Lord is everlasting Gardens graced with flowing streams, where they will stay forever. Allāh is well pleased with them and they with Him. All this is for those who stand in awe of their Lord.’ (verses 7 -8; my emphasis ).
Take especial note of these verses. It has been my privilege to know – and to love – many Christians who were shining beacons of Christian love and good practice. These verses assure me that they shall have their reward in Heaven. These verses assure me that every Christian, and every Jew, who carries the Exalted in their hearts, and who strives to do good, will have their reward. This is a solemn promise, and the Exalted does not renege on His promises.
Aydemir claims to have ‘thoroughly studied Islam’ Be that as it may. He must surely have read verses 7 and 8 of Al-Bayyina. Why do you suppose he doesn’t mention them? Could it be that he wishes to deceive; to pander to the prejudice of his audience? You figure it out.
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You write that the Qur’an is: ‘Imbued with sexual fantasy about the afterlife where a good Muslim man will be met by two virgins, but a martyr will be met by 72 virgins in heaven – this inherently says that being in heaven with Allah is not so good in itself but only if heaven is also a sexual playground.’
The Qur’an refers to Heaven as ‘al-janna’, meaning ‘the garden’. It is the home of the righteous; the home of Peace. The Qur’an says nothing about martyrs (or anyone else) being gifted with seventy-two virgins.
Allāh (subḥānahu ūta’āla) says:
‘On couches of well-woven cloth they (the righteous) will sit facing each other; everlasting youths will go round among them with glasses, flagons, and cups of a pure drink that causes no headache or intoxication; (there will be) any fruit they choose; the meat of any bird they like; and fair ones ( waḥūrun) with beautiful eyes, like hidden pearls: a reward for what they used to do. They will hear no idle or sinful talk there, only clean and wholesome speech.’ (Al-Waqi‘a: 15-26); and again: ‘Those mindful of Allāh will be in a safe place amid Gardens and springs, clothed in silk and fine brocade, facing one another: and We shall marry them to fair ones (biḥūrin) having beautiful eyes.’ (Al-Dukhan: 52-54).
The words ‘ waḥūrun’ and ‘biḥūrin’ are derived from ‘ huri ’; a word that describes both males and females.
The message of the Qur’an is that both righteous men and righteous women will have their ideal partner in Heaven.
Professor M.A.S. Abdel Haleem writes:
‘There is no overt mention in the Qur’an of sex taking place between spouses in janna, although the relationship is lawful between spouses and the Qur’an does not shy away from mentioning it in the context of this world. The mutual love (‘uruban) between spouses in the garden epitomises the most fulfilling aspect of the relationship between spouses as expressed in the Qur’an: “Another of His signs is that He created spouses from among yourselves for you to live with in tranquillity: He ordained love and kindness between you.”’ (‘Understanding the Qur’an – Themes and Style’).
You have also written that according to the Qur’an: ‘Muslims are better than non-muslims’; and that ‘Muslims can and should kill non-believers.’
I ask again, what is your justification for these claims?
Have a great day, and very best regards.
The Qur’an refers to Heaven as ‘al-janna’, meaning ‘the garden’. It is the home of the righteous; the home of Peace. The Qur’an says nothing about martyrs (or anyone else) being gifted with seventy-two virgins.
Allāh (subḥānahu ūta’āla) says:
‘On couches of well-woven cloth they (the righteous) will sit facing each other; everlasting youths will go round among them with glasses, flagons, and cups of a pure drink that causes no headache or intoxication; (there will be) any fruit they choose; the meat of any bird they like; and fair ones ( waḥūrun) with beautiful eyes, like hidden pearls: a reward for what they used to do. They will hear no idle or sinful talk there, only clean and wholesome speech.’ (Al-Waqi‘a: 15-26); and again: ‘Those mindful of Allāh will be in a safe place amid Gardens and springs, clothed in silk and fine brocade, facing one another: and We shall marry them to fair ones (biḥūrin) having beautiful eyes.’ (Al-Dukhan: 52-54).
The words ‘ waḥūrun’ and ‘biḥūrin’ are derived from ‘ huri ’; a word that describes both males and females.
The message of the Qur’an is that both righteous men and righteous women will have their ideal partner in Heaven.
Professor M.A.S. Abdel Haleem writes:
‘There is no overt mention in the Qur’an of sex taking place between spouses in janna, although the relationship is lawful between spouses and the Qur’an does not shy away from mentioning it in the context of this world. The mutual love (‘uruban) between spouses in the garden epitomises the most fulfilling aspect of the relationship between spouses as expressed in the Qur’an: “Another of His signs is that He created spouses from among yourselves for you to live with in tranquillity: He ordained love and kindness between you.”’ (‘Understanding the Qur’an – Themes and Style’).
You have also written that according to the Qur’an: ‘Muslims are better than non-muslims’; and that ‘Muslims can and should kill non-believers.’
I ask again, what is your justification for these claims?
Have a great day, and very best regards.
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