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Sean_O_L
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And prior to the above comments, Fr. Peter Scott, former District Superior for the SSPX in USA wrote toJack95RR@aol.com who posted the below to Jim Vogel’s SSPXOne Forum:
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justme
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dumspirospero said::bowdown: I hear ya…my sentiments exactly
Adonis33:
Actually maybe it is posts like this one.
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=47873
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TobyLue
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First of all it is my understanding that there is no such thing as “Novus Ordo”. Actually I just started hearing that term some years ago. When the mass was changed to the vernacular I do not remember at all that the Vatican declared that it was to be called “Novus Ordo” You may ask the priest to see the lectionary to check if the words “Novus Ordo” describe the current Mass. For further info please see
BTW, take a look at EWTN when mass is celebrated. It’s really beautiful. Many priests actually ruin it when they step up to the altar and instead of starting the prayers they start with a “Hi, you all. How are we all doing today!!!” I dare any priest to show me that this is called for in the GIRM. The mass can be celebrated with great beauty if priests stick to the GIRM. The congregation should also be as reverent as possible. This is ruined by many people who walk into the Church and start yaking with their neighbors about what happened last week, yada, yada, yada,. People chewing gum, kids running up and down the isles, lots of noise. That is why I understand many who prefer the Tridentine Mass, because none of those shenanigans ever existed until many priest started to get cute so that everybody would be more relaxed, more lovey-dovey, and lets all have one great party. Mass is not a place we go to focus on our friends or ourselves. We must focus all of our attention and prayers to our Lord. We must give the best we can to our Lord. IMO it is sacrilegious the way mass is celebrated in many parishes. Also, if we are unable to have a good choir, then it would probably be best to celebrate it without a choir and the congregation just sing the necessary parts accapella I firmly believe that if priests stick to the GIRM, follow the directives and encourage the congregation to show reverence, we will get many of those trads, back into the Church.
And yes, what in Gods name are priests thinking of when they have clown masses, dixie land, polka, people sitting around the altar? Is this showing reverence to Our Lord. Is this sort of stuff allowed in the GIRM? Remember, nobody, not even a priest nor a bishop has any authority to add anything to the celebration of the Mass
God Bless
P.S. - Sorry I had to vent…
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[saint-mike.org/apologetics/qa/Answers/Faith_Spirituality/f0312270622.html](http://www.saint-mike.org/apologetics/qa/Answers/Faith_Spirituality/f0312270622.html)And yes, what in Gods name are priests thinking of when they have clown masses, dixie land, polka, people sitting around the altar? Is this showing reverence to Our Lord. Is this sort of stuff allowed in the GIRM? Remember, nobody, not even a priest nor a bishop has any authority to add anything to the celebration of the Mass
God Bless
P.S. - Sorry I had to vent…
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rayne89
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For the three that responded yes than in your eyes Pope John Paul has commited a sacrilege. Not only did attend, he had celebrated the Novus Ordo Mass pretty darn regularly.
Give me a break.
Give me a break.
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HagiaSophia
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Actually there is: it’s properly called the Novus Ordo Missae (New Order of the Mass)
From wikipedia: Novus Ordo Missæ (New Order of the Mass), “Mass of Pope Paul VI,” “Pauline Mass,” and “Vatican II Mass” are terms used of the Roman-rite liturgy of the Mass as revised by the Roman Catholic Church following the Second Vatican Council. The changes were promulgated in 1969 and published in the following year in a new Roman Missal, which, among other sections, contains a revised “Ordo Missae”(Order of the Mass) and the “Institutio Generalis Missalis Romani” (General Instruction of the Roman Missal, hereinafter referred to by the abbreviation GIRM).[1]*(usccb.org/liturgy/current/romanmissalind.shtml)
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romano
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Thank you for venting! These are my sentiments precisely! I guess it’s not so much the Novus Ordo itself as the way those who attend it behave that bothers me. You missed out the scruffy dress, the females with bare midriffs or mini-skirts, others who spend most of the Mass running their fingers through unwashed hair, cell phones going off, shrieks of laughter, etc. Also the untrained readers who mispronounce every second word and generally mangle the passages they attempt to read, etc., etc.
This sound to me to be much easier said than done.
Not at all. I’m glad you did.
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rayne89
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I agree. We have reverant Novus Ordo Mass where unless we have visitors those things very rarely happen. By the way you must spend alot of time looking around during Mass if you notice peoples “unwashed hair.”Thank you for venting! These are my sentiments precisely! I guess it’s not so much the Novus Ordo itself as the way those who attend it behave that bothers me. You missed out the scruffy dress, the females with bare midriffs or mini-skirts, others who spend most of the Mass running their fingers through unwashed hair, cell phones going off, shrieks of laughter, etc. Also the untrained readers who mispronounce every second word and generally mangle the passages they attempt to read, etc., etc.
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Franze
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I only can say that NO and TLM aren´t important, the important is too many catholics don´t know that there the bread and wine are body and blood of christ and for this reason there are few people in masses, in almost all NO the sacrament isn´t in priest´s back,the most important problem is that many catholics don´t believe in the real body and blood of christ and THIS IS A TRAGEDY.
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Genesis315
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You’re right. The true sacrilege is that way too many Catholics receive Communion in a state of mortal sin because they do not discern the Body and Blood of our Lord.
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BulldogCath
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Can I ask why this thread was even started, with your reading of “TRADITIO” a sede website? Were you just going there to do some “light reading”?
**Was this to try and lump all Trads together? **
I would think that you should know, having been on this site that the NO mass is not a sacrilige. Some items brought out on Trad websites are probably dead on-but this is obviously something that we dont agree with.
So-what is the purpose here and why is this thread even still open?
romano:
**Was this to try and lump all Trads together? **
I would think that you should know, having been on this site that the NO mass is not a sacrilige. Some items brought out on Trad websites are probably dead on-but this is obviously something that we dont agree with.
So-what is the purpose here and why is this thread even still open?
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ThornGenX
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I hope not since that’s the only kind of Mass I have been to. I voted no.
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Verbum
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Romano,
Thank you for venting! These are my sentiments precisely! I guess it’s not so much the Novus Ordo itself as the way those who attend it behave that bothers me. You missed out the scruffy dress, the females with bare midriffs or mini-skirts, others who spend most of the Mass running their fingers through unwashed hair, cell phones going off, shrieks of laughter, etc. Also the untrained readers who mispronounce every second word and generally mangle the passages they attempt to read, etc., etc.
So what you hate is not the “new” mass, but the new humanity! Be therefore advised that if the “old” mass came back as the standard, you would have to endure this bothersome humanity every time you went to church. Oh me, oh my!
Verbum
Thank you for venting! These are my sentiments precisely! I guess it’s not so much the Novus Ordo itself as the way those who attend it behave that bothers me. You missed out the scruffy dress, the females with bare midriffs or mini-skirts, others who spend most of the Mass running their fingers through unwashed hair, cell phones going off, shrieks of laughter, etc. Also the untrained readers who mispronounce every second word and generally mangle the passages they attempt to read, etc., etc.
So what you hate is not the “new” mass, but the new humanity! Be therefore advised that if the “old” mass came back as the standard, you would have to endure this bothersome humanity every time you went to church. Oh me, oh my!
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jturnbull
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Well said
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Pro_Iesu
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It is not a sacralige to attend a Novus Ordo. Futhermore the Novus Ordo mass is 100% valid. Every part of the mass except the homily and the parish news after the final blessing come directy from biblical verses or theprayers and creeds from the earliest days of the church. The tridintine also has had its share of priests who perform it incorrectly but thanks to our late Holy Father those discreptancies have been corrected.
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kattyc
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Please forgive my ignorance, but what is Novus Ordo? I am assuming the translation is something along the lines of New Order (?) but that’s just a guess. Otherwise, I am not familiar with what it is. Would someone please explain it or point me to a valid thread? Thank you! 
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Genesis315
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It’s not technically an official term from the Church, but it is used to distinguish between the Tridentine form of the Mass and the current form (referred to as Novus Ordo). The Tridentine (meaning “of Trent”) was the form of the Mass that was used until Vatican II reformed it into the standard we have today (Novus Ordo).Please forgive my ignorance, but what is Novus Ordo? I am assuming the translation is something along the lines of New Order (?) but that’s just a guess. Otherwise, I am not familiar with what it is. Would someone please explain it or point me to a valid thread? Thank you!
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kattyc
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Thank you Genesis315! I feel a little less ignorant !
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pnewton
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There is a reason why one of the rules on these forums prohibit being here to promote a single-minded agenda. You just gave another link to a site that does just that. You can link them all, but they are far from objective.
Visions and prophecies not withstanding, authority lies in Rome and that is the only place where we are at least given some level of assurance that the Holy Spirit is speaking.
Who is Marie-Julie Jahenny? Is she a Saint? More importantly, what level of authority does she have in the church?
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