Is it a sacrilege to attend a Novus Ordo service?

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It might be a sacrilege if the parish actually describes the event as a “Novus Ordo service” rather than a mass.
 
If it were true then it would seem that the gates of hell have prevailed against the Church, I don’t see that happening.
 
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pnewton:
There is a reason why one of the rules on these forums prohibit being here to promote a single-minded agenda. You just gave another link to a site that does just that. You can link them all, but they are far from objective.

Visions and prophecies not withstanding, authority lies in Rome and that is the only place where we are at least given some level of assurance that the Holy Spirit is speaking.

Who is Marie-Julie Jahenny? Is she a Saint? More importantly, what level of authority does she have in the church?
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Asking a question is not helping to “promote an agenda.” And neither is pointing to documented articles on the internet. As to just who Marie-Julie Jahenny is, I’ve no idea. That’s why I’m asking.

As to the sites I’ve run into being “far from objective,” this is simply an assertion. You offer no proof of this assertion.

The fact is that since the introduction of the Novus Ordo ther has been a staggering decline in attendance at Mass. Are you claiming that there is no connection between the two?
 
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romano:
Asking a question is not helping to “promote an agenda.” And neither is pointing to documented articles on the internet. As to just who Marie-Julie Jahenny is, I’ve no idea. That’s why I’m asking.

As to the sites I’ve run into being “far from objective,” this is simply an assertion. You offer no proof of this assertion.

The fact is that since the introduction of the Novus Ordo ther has been a staggering decline in attendance at Mass. Are you claiming that there is no connection between the two?
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Post Hoc, Ergo Propter Hoc (After this**,** therefore because of this). False cause fallacy. Try again. :nope:
 
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romano:
The fact is that since the introduction of the Novus Ordo ther has been a staggering decline in attendance at Mass. Are you claiming that there is no connection between the two?
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Dr. Bombay:
Post Hoc, Ergo Propter Hoc (After this**,** therefore because of this). False cause fallacy. Try again. :nope:
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I’m still holding to the “it’s my fault” theory. Obviously, it is my birth that caused the decline; after all, shortly after I was born, Mass attendance declined. There has to be a link between the two, right?

Kris
 
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romano:
Asking a question is not helping to “promote an agenda.” And neither is pointing to documented articles on the internet. As to just who Marie-Julie Jahenny is, I’ve no idea. That’s why I’m asking.

As to the sites I’ve run into being “far from objective,” this is simply an assertion. You offer no proof of this assertion.
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I do not mean to accuse you of anything inappropriate, I mean that these sites you have linked to are doing the promoting their agenda to denigrate the Mass.

I have no proof. It is you who linked the article I read. If you want eviddnce, then I ask you why do they not promote the teaching of the church on the matter instead of coming across some unapproved vision that just happens to fit their idea.

You want solid and trustworthy doctrine? Flee visions and open your Catechism.

One more thing for those who do not yet know this. Not everything on the internet is trustworthy.
 
No, I don’t believe it’s a sin if it’s a valid Novus Ordo Mass.
 
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romano:
The fact is that since the introduction of the Novus Ordo ther has been a staggering decline in attendance at Mass. Are you claiming that there is no connection between the two?
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The fact that the decline in attendance began prior to the institution of the new mass suggests an earlier cause. Does anyone know when they started using microphones and speakers at mass?
 
The Novus Ordo Mass was promulgated by a Vicar of Christ on Earth, then celebrated by that Vicar and both his successors. To suggest that the Novus Ordo Mass is a sacrilege or that it is invalid is to profess heresy, thus placing oneself outside the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.
 
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rayne89:
By the way you must spend alot of time looking around during Mass if you notice peoples “unwashed hair.”
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It’s difficult to miss if they’re sitting right in front of you.
 
You get the same kind of verbage from many posters on APOLOGIA…
 
Dr. Bombay:
Post Hoc, Ergo Propter Hoc (After this**,** therefore because of this). False cause fallacy. Try again. :nope:
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It would seem to follow from your ‘logic’ that the fact that the sun rose this morning has nothing to do with the sunlight now streaming through my window; that the fact that I put sugar in my coffee when I made it has nothing to do with the fact that it now tastes sweet; that impregnation has nothing to do with the fact of babies being born.

You will of course say that these causes were true and not false causes. But tell me something: just who appointed you as supreme determiner of what is and what is not a true or false cause?

You are living amid a wreckage. That wreckage had causes. Why pretend it didn’t?
 
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romano:
Dr. Bombay:
Post Hoc, Ergo Propter Hoc (After this, therefore because of this). False cause fallacy. Try again. :nope:
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It would seem to follow from your ‘logic’ that the fact that the sun rose this morning has nothing to do with the sunlight now streaming through my window; that the fact that I put sugar in my coffee when I made it has nothing to do with the fact that it now tastes sweet; that impregnation has nothing to do with the fact of babies being born.
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I believe you are wrong here. The things you state here are objectively proveable. That is you can see that the rising of the sun actually causes the sunlight you see streaming though your window as you can see it happen. Same goes with the sugar, you can decide not to add the sugar and see that it is the sugar that makes it sweet.

To say, as you attempt to do…
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romano:
The fact is that since the introduction of the Novus Ordo ther has been a staggering decline in attendance at Mass. Are you claiming that there is no connection between the two?
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You must prove it as we have done in the two examples you try to use above.

Just because something happened in the past and then something else happened does not mean that they are connected.
 
This is one of the things that really upsets me. I have been to Masses throughout Europe and a Papal Mass and none of them have been TLM. Ever. I do not know where there is a TLM offered in relation to where I live. There are few Catholic churches here, all of them are Roman Rite and none offer Tridentine Mass. So if the TLM is a better Mass, why is it not on offer? I would dearly love to attend a TLM (to see what all the fuss is about if nothing else) but it is impossible for me. So if the TLM is a better option, how come there are some of us who cannot attend?

I have been a Catholic for 26 years (since birth) and although I have fallen away for a period, I have always kept up with the goings on at my home Parish. This parish was approved of by my mother who was very devout and orthodox and so I do not believe there have been abuses there. But they do not offer TLM and this makes me wonder. Why are there those who believe the TLM is the only valid Mass? Are those who have received Sacraments in the “New Mass” at some kind of disadvantage? If the TLM is so much more important then why have I been unable to locate one?
 
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romano:
It would seem to follow from your ‘logic’ that the fact that the sun rose this morning has nothing to do with the sunlight now streaming through my window; that the fact that I put sugar in my coffee when I made it has nothing to do with the fact that it now tastes sweet; that impregnation has nothing to do with the fact of babies being born.

You will of course say that these causes were true and not false causes. But tell me something: just who appointed you as supreme determiner of what is and what is not a true or false cause?

You are living amid a wreckage. That wreckage had causes. Why pretend it didn’t?
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What a poor analogy. The examples you gave are verifiable, concrete and obvious to any human being. History and physics can not be treated in the same manner.

I for one do not accept the proposition that all is wreckage nor. We have problems as we have for the last 2000 years. But we also still have grace, the Holy Spirit and the Mass.
 
I like this poll. It kinda reminds me of university campuses perceived to be left-wing and when you look at the stats, they are a distinct minority–it’s just that they are incredibly shrill. 😃

Scott
 
If it brings one person to Christ how can it be? Personally it isn’t the “Mass” that I attend it is the recieving of the word and our Lord through Communion. To much emphasis is placed on the Mass itself, just another way the old serpant is trying to divide the church.
 
While I PREFER the TLM, the NO is valid and licit, and in communion with Rome and the Holy see.Nuff said.
 
The so-called Novus Ordo is actually the Mass of Pope Paul VI. It is the standard liturgy of the Latin rite. The Tridentine Mass of Pope St. Pius V is still permitted under indult of the bishop.
 
No, not a sacrilege, and couldn’t be. To use the vernacular, the New Order “service” is not a service, but a valid Latin Rite Mass. Since Rome has spoken on this, who is there to say otherwise?

Peace,
Jim
 
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