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LittleSoldier
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Ad hominem attacks are usually the sign of a person who has no other ammunition.
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Portrait
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Dear Advocatus Fidei,
Your mention of “custody of the eyes” reminded me of those lovely words in the book of Job, which echo the very self-same idea:
“I have made a covenant with my eyes; how then could I look upon a virgin?” (Job 31: 1).
That is surely a text for our times if ever there was one, given all the scantily clad women in our contemporary society!
Thankyou for your excellent and sane contributions to this thread.
Warmest good wishes,
Portrait
PS Good to hear from another UK citizen on CAF.
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LittleSoldier
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No. What you have done is strongly imply that I want to dress like a stripper and that another poster wants to show off her new, more attractive body and is a liar. You’re not making general statements about sinning; you have directly insulted two people.
That is judging.
Nobody in this thread has ever stated that immodest dress is not sinful. But you seem to have taken it upon yourself to be the one who gets to decide which dress is immodest. And that is wrong.
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Advocatus_Fidei
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But not always
My problem is with the expression of your uncaring attitude towards other people there is no other way of answering that than making a personal comment, you are not presenting yourself in a good light saying that you do not care at all if you are a source of sin for others and I feel I must warn you that attitude will not protect you as we are considered guilty of another persons sins if we knowingly cause of them.
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PatriceA
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Actually she seems to be very caring of people in this thread, at least that’s the way I’ve read her comments.But not always
My problem is with the expression of your uncaring attitude towards other people there is no other way of answering that than making a personal comment.
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Advocatus_Fidei
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Yes its very caring to say you are going to dress any way you please and to hell with any man who falls into lust because of that and that you couldn’t care less about the fate of other peoples souls, a very caring Christian attitude indeed, God will be so proud.
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PatriceA
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Sorry that’s all you heard in all her various comments. There was so much more to her posts.
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Advocatus_Fidei
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You assume incorrectly about all that I have read.
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CWBetts
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the only other thing was “I am gonna do what I want, to heck with everyone else! No body can tell me what is right or wrong!”
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BobObob
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I’m not talking about specifically about African cultures. Even though there are many other things that affect people’s moral behavior, there seems to be evidence that what I said above is correct. Here’s some scholarly research from major journals (sorry, you probably won’t be able to access all the full articles):
versita.metapress.com/content/4j44hx8381p50437/fulltext.pdf
accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-34711618_ITM
scribd.com/doc/30328401/Sexual-Modesty-Social-Meanings-And-the-Nudist-Camp
sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6WJN-4G7JXXW-1&_user=10&_coverDate=01/31/2005&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=849fb2ddadd1da6768d57881b4ebb395
It’s best to do research rather than just go with one’s gut.
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Lycorth
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You can say that again.
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DoulaMama
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Oh here we go again! Not only are you being crude and disrespectful to everyone on here that disagrees with your comments, now you’ve taken to blaming women because men “can’t control their urges”! When do we start blaming the bakery owner because someone can’t control their eating and now they have fallen into gluttony?
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Lycorth
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It’s not that anyone is blaming women for those men who cannot control their urges, but rather that we are not islands unto ourselves but have a responsibility to create and cultivate a higher and more moral Christian culture, for our own edification as well as that of our fellow man.
The men who lust after scantily-clad women bear the biggest sin, but women who are irresponsible and immodest are to blame for helping to set the stage. It’s like a child who uses foul language is responsible for setting a bad example to his playmates - sure, the children who imitate his bad behavior are to blame for their lack of self-control, but the child who started the ball rolling doesn’t get off scot-free, either.
Sure, we’re desensitized enough that most of us guys look at a girl in a skimpy little bikini and don’t bat an eyelash, and as a result most of us don’t immediately lust after every bikini-clad girl we see. But is that the right way to approach human dignity, as well as the issue of modesty? Does it do justice to the dignity of the human person to turn women from ladies who deserve respect into objects to leer at and lust after?
Wearing a little bikini to a small, private gathering of your girlfriends is one thing. Flaunting it around in public, not caring what effect you may have in the so doing, and refusing to accept the slightest responsibility for all possible outcomes is another.
If we can’t be trusted with a little matter such as this, how will we be trusted in greater matters? There’s no sticking our heads in the sand and saying “it’s not my problem”.
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Advocatus_Fidei
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Even when that research is biased and flawed, I think not. It is a mistake to trust secular researchers they have always in my experience hidden agendas and are not to be trusted.
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Advocatus_Fidei
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I take you have also been dispensed from the command to love your neighbour have you?
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LittleSoldier
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I am asking you as a Christian to please stop with the ad hominem attacks. Please.
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LittleSoldier
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I have an uncaring attitude towards other people? I am a sinner and probably the least of God’s human creations, but one thing I will not accept is someone telling me I have an uncaring attitude towards other people. I care deeply about every single person in the world, as we are all loved children of a loving God and we all have precious souls. Even me.But not always
My problem is with the expression of your uncaring attitude towards other people there is no other way of answering that than making a personal comment, you are not presenting yourself in a good light saying that you do not care at all if you are a source of sin for others and I feel I must warn you that attitude will not protect you as we are considered guilty of another persons sins if we knowingly cause of them.
Are you telling me now that God is going to punish me for causing someone else’s sins? Your whole post is one sentence, so it’s hard to tell.
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LittleSoldier
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But nobody in this thread is saying it’s appropriate to run around with a tiny bikini on the beach or anywhere else!
I described the woman wearing the bikini in Costco and the awful effect her presence had on people there. I don’t think it was appropriate for her to wear that outfit there. But I’m not going to judge her because I don’t know what her situation is. We’re not here to judge people. We aren’t omniscient. Maybe she had nothing else to wear! I don’t know.
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Advocatus_Fidei
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If you care about them you will not allow yourself to become a source of temptation to them by dressing immodestly just to please yourself.
If you cause another to sin you will share in their punishment yes.
I do not know you, I am not judging you, I am judging the way you have presented yourself in this thread based on the part of your post which I previously quoted, that attitude you displayed with those words is beneath you, leave it behind and you will be happier and better Christian.
I tell you all this exactly because of your precious soul which is much loved by God, but also for all the other precious souls which God loves just as much who are effected by how you choose to act, including how you choose to dress.
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LittleSoldier
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Quite awhile ago I posted a question in this thread.
Why didn’t any man respond?
I never received a response. Finally I just said forget it.
Why didn’t any man respond?
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