(continued from above)
When I wrote that you (Edward H) most certainly believe the heresy of “working your way into Heaven,” your ONLY reply was:
“don’t make this about you; I wasn’t mentioning you. Why do you immediately put yourself in the center of things? Do you often find yourself being easily offended? Why? You never answered the question: would God be most pleased…”
- You avoid confronting the fact that you hold the heretical belief of “working your way into Heaven.” God would be “most pleased” by us not holding such heresies.(“ here’s where badly formed, misguided, hesitant, can’t I have it both ways, and some Once Saved Always Saved Protestants, answer Yes.”) You are still wrong.
YOU WROTE: “Joseph…not never ending Work…but never ending love, God’s love working willingly (and ever increasingly joyfully) through us. Love is willing sacrifice…The Catholic understanding of love isn’t ‘airy fairy, carefree, no obstacle, we have plenty of food, our bellies are full, the music is great, health and wealth, no pressure’ love. It’s learning how to convert your whole ordinary day into an offering for God, “in union with the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass throughout the world”.”
- This statement contains heresies 3, 4 and 5. You are most blatantly trying to cover up your emphasis on exhausting work by calling it “love.”(“ Joseph…not never ending Work…but never ending love.”) This is a mere word game. You are also blatantly preaching heresy # 4: “working our way into Heaven.” (“The Catholic understanding of love isn’t ‘airy fairy, carefree, no obstacle, we have plenty of food, our bellies are full, the music is great, health and wealth, no pressure’ love.”) This is exactly the kind of thing you said earlier that is only believed by “badly formed, misguided, hesitant, can’t I have it both ways, and some Once Saved Always Saved Protestants” - who obviously DON’T believe in working their way into Heaven, unlike you. You also imply by this that someone with a simple faith life (Church, sacraments, prayer) is somehow not doing enough, not “loving” enough, not WORKING enough, and will (likely) not get into Heaven. That’s heresy # 3.
DIVINEFAITH wrote: “Seriously, are some of you saying (on this forum) we shouldn’t have our own hobbies? I think I have a right to enjoy my life as much as I can as long as I don’t cross the moral boundaries.”
To which Edward H replied: “Of course not. No…Not saying this.”
- I personally think this is absolutely untrue. You, Edward H, very clearly said before that “A movie watched by ourselves for our own pleasure is suspect.” and that,**“A priest once told me he had a hard time imaging a case where watching TV by oneself is a good idea.” **(Heresy # 1.) You also previously said “If your intention is to please yourself whether it is in work or in leisure, then it might be sinful.” (Heresy # 2.) It would seem to follow from this that any hobbies spent while alone, for our own enjoyment, are regarded by you as “sinful.”
And predictably, in the very next paragraph, you say:
“Case 1. Our hobbies can be supernaturalized.
They can be made even more useful, easily. God with you in your hobbies.
And who knows…you might be able to teach someone later on as you master your hobby. Maybe you build something that gives someone else pleasure…who might I give this tree house to? Will this provide a home for your beautiful birds, Lord? Who might I be able to teach…how about that young kid down the street whose father ran away?”
This is heresy # 4 – “working your way into Heaven. ” (
“Our hobbies can be supernaturalized. They can be made even more useful, easily.”) Hobbies don’t have to be “useful.” There is no sin in this. You are wrong.
This is also heresy # 5 – “to cover up your emphasis on exhausting work by calling it “love.” You especially try to make your overemphasis on work sound respectable by claiming you are always working “for others” – even though the Catholic Church does not teach that leisure time (or hobbies) when spent in solitude are “sinful.” You are wrong again.
You then heap scorn on anyone who practices leisure and hobbies in solitude, as if such enjoyment is “sinful” (heresies 1 AND 2 together.)
“Case 2 .**I close myself in my workshop…build beautiful birdhouses all by myself, no teaching to others, no sharing, no communion, no gift to others, and then I burn the birdhouses. **All activity centers around me. No glory to God, no conversation with Him,
no service to others. No beauty to offer the world.”
This is actually quite ridiculous, since I suspect most people who build things don’t immediately destroy them or throw them away. What a false, unfair characterization of leisure. Plus you are again demonizing leisure time when spent alone, and are demonizing any enjoyment obtained from such pursuits. What a ridiculous and false position.
Your last two paragraphs quoted above are actually quite remarkable. All five heresies in just a few sentences. No wonder people on this forum get misdirected and sidetracked when reading your posts. You are a very confusing person. Such confusion does not arise from God at all, but from the Devil. Now that I’m wise to your little tricks, it’s almost too easy to spot them. They just the same five falsehoods, over and over again. You were wrong when you first started posting them, and you are wrong now.
