Is it a sin or sinful to smoke marijuana?

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CWBetts said:
Unfortunately you have defeated nothing. At all.
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how is that? are you saying that morality changes based on your geography?

if thats not what you are saying then please tell me how the argument for morality based on geography is not defeated?

other than making unsubstantiated statements, please provide arguments supporting your assertions.
 
warpspeedpetey said:
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Ok, there you are. I agree with you on that point, and frankly I don’t see what is so hard to grasp about it. One would have to be willfully ignorant to not acknowledge that.

Did you have a comment to my post. Agree? Disagree?
 
Ana said:
Ok, there you are. I agree with you on that point, and frankly I don’t see what is so hard to grasp about it. One would have to be willfully ignorant to not acknowledge that.

Did you have a comment to my post. Agree? Disagree?
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legality has a lot to do with geography

legality aint got a lot to do with morality.

and morality aint got a lot to do with geography.

:dancing:

somebody please stop me before i break out in a bad rendition of mary poppins’ ‘supercalifragilistic’
 
CWBetts - last evening you and I exchanged some very different ideas in another thread titled “Mad at fellow Catholics. Deal with it.” Please correct me if my assumption was wrong about your intention for coming over to this thread about a minute after having a heated personal exchange in the other.
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Stop digging up old disputes! And stop assuming the worst from everybody! Why is charitibility so hard for you?

Let dead horses decay, stop digging them up!

FYI, you’re not going to get an answer from CWBetts, you’re on his Ignore List.
Someone else tried to tell me what your intentions were and I told them I would let you speak for yourself. If you honestly can tell me you came here without any connection to our other exchange, then I owe you an apology. It just seemed to me that you had an axe to grind.
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You’re on his Ignore List! He can’t see your posts! You’re not going to get an answer, move on–

Let dead horses decay, don’t dig 'em up! :eek:
 
Hi all,

Sorry for butting in, but, maybe I can make a contribution.

I’ll start with a couple of questions:

Question No. 1: “Is intemperance a sin?”

Question No. 2: “Is an act that is essentially contra-survival a sin?”

Question No 3: “Is an act that can be harmful, in any way, to those in your presence a sin?”

Question No. 4: “Is an act that knowingly ‘self-entraps’ a sin?”

Question No. 5: “Is an act that can cause physical damage to ones self a sin?”

Question No. 6: “Is an act that causes someone to need to tell lies a sin?”

Enough. There are more. Can you come to any conclusion?

Merry Christmas and
God Bless,
JD
 
JDaniel said:
Hi all,

Sorry for butting in, but, maybe I can make a contribution.

I’ll start with a couple of questions:

Question No. 1: “Is intemperance a sin?”

Question No. 2: “Is an act that is essentially contra-survival a sin?”

Question No 3: “Is an act that can be harmful, in any way, to those in your presence a sin?”

Question No. 4: “Is an act that knowingly ‘self-entraps’ a sin?”

Question No. 5: “Is an act that can cause physical damage to ones self a sin?”

Question No. 6: “Is an act that causes someone to need to tell lies a sin?”

Enough. There are more. Can you come to any conclusion?

Merry Christmas and
God Bless,
JD
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Enough? No, please … more

JD … Bottoms up? 🤷
 
jkiernan56 said:
Enough? No, please … more

JD … Bottoms up? 🤷
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I know, I know . . . they focus on smoking that pot - they don’t focus on what that pot smoker is doing to those around him (or, her).

Pot smokers become, because of continuously performing an illegal act in more and more chancey situations, super “con artists” and liars. When a person becomes good at lying, they’ll lie to everyone, their wives/husbands, children, employers, clients, police, pastors, pushers, you name it. Last I checked, bearing false witness and lying were sins. That which causes a person to sin, IS a sin (except on specific and rare occasions).

Pot smoking causes greater and greater chances to be taken. Not just with ones self, but, with other’s lives too. They’ll bring pot to another’s home and clandestinely smoke it. All the while not knowing whether or not the law is on their trail. (I have seen the results of instances of this with my own eyes.) Before I go to a party, I want to know who else is going and if any of them have a proclivity for pot smoking. I do not want my name in the newspaper the next morning.

But, the worst thing that happens is that the pot smoker inevitably slips into apathy. Apathy, more often than not, defeats a person’s natural inclination for survival. And, not just their own. Obviously, it can affect those people’s families.

Recently, my newspapers have had three instances where pot-smoking parents allowed (and even promoted) their children to smoke it. They were caught. Imagine the wonderful lives they will all have now. 3-year old children caught smoking pot - in unity with their parents. Brings a tear to one’s eye does is not?

Yep: it’s a sin.

Merry Christmas and
God bless,
JD
 
JDaniel said:
I know, I know . . . they focus on smoking that pot - they don’t focus on what that pot smoker is doing to those around him (or, her).

Pot smokers become, because of continuously performing an illegal act in more and more chancey situations, super “con artists” and liars. When a person becomes good at lying, they’ll lie to everyone, their wives/husbands, children, employers, clients, police, pastors, pushers, you name it. Last I checked, bearing false witness and lying were sins. That which causes a person to sin, IS a sin (except on specific and rare occasions).

Pot smoking causes greater and greater chances to be taken. Not just with ones self, but, with other’s lives too. They’ll bring pot to another’s home and clandestinely smoke it. All the while not knowing whether or not the law is on their trail. (I have seen the results of instances of this with my own eyes.) Before I go to a party, I want to know who else is going and if any of them have a proclivity for pot smoking. I do not want my name in the newspaper the next morning.

But, the worst thing that happens is that the pot smoker inevitably slips into apathy. Apathy, more often than not, defeats a person’s natural inclination for survival. And, not just their own. Obviously, it can affect those people’s families.

Recently, my newspapers have had three instances where pot-smoking parents allowed (and even promoted) their children to smoke it. They were caught. Imagine the wonderful lives they will all have now. 3-year old children caught smoking pot - in unity with their parents. Brings a tear to one’s eye does is not?

Yep: it’s a sin.

Merry Christmas and
God bless,
JD
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But those things are sins because of (a) the illegality of marijuana in our country and (b) the irresponsibility of those parents. They have nothing to do with the substance, cannabis. The criticisms could just as easily be applied to people who bought or manufactured booze during Prohibition, or parents who give their children alcohol.

The substance itself isn’t sinful, it’s the wrong use of it.
 
I just read something from another thread “Puritanical Catholics” that seemed applicable to this one. One person wrote “The trick is to discern the proper intention and meaning of every gift of God and avoid the misuse and abuse of them.”

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=294985

I thought that statement was a very good one and very concise.
 
theistgal said:
But those things are sins because of (a) the illegality of marijuana in our country and (b) the irresponsibility of those parents. They have nothing to do with the substance, cannabis. The criticisms could just as easily be applied to people who bought or manufactured booze during Prohibition, or parents who give their children alcohol.

The substance itself isn’t sinful, it’s the wrong use of it.
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You are quite correct. A “physical thing” cannot be a “sin”.

I was responding to the OP: “Is it a sin or sinful to smoke marijuana?” The misuse of things can, on the other hand, be sinful. A knife or a gun is not a sin, but, using either to kill another is sinful.

The “irresponsibility of those parents” does not just come about by accident. It comes about by their (willing) participation in activities that are contra-survival. These “activities” gravely affect the persons, their families, their friends, their communities, and their races. Drug-induced apathy resulting in drifting down to the next level, which is, in my opinion, death (or nearly death), is a grave effect.

Alcohol use (at least to excess) does the same thing. Participating in selling guns to criminals, does the same thing. Participating in stealing and robbing, does the same thing.

I know these statements were more than you were probably looking for! :o

Merry Christmas and
God bless,
JD
 
JDaniel said:
The misuse of things can, on the other hand, be sinful. A knife or a gun is not a sin, but, using either to kill another is sinful.

Alcohol use (at least to excess) does the same thing.
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Very good point JD. That’s the exact same way I view the topic of this thread. I’m glad you made that distinction with alcohol.
 
JDaniel said:
I know these statements were more than you were probably looking for! :o

Merry Christmas and
God bless,
JD
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True - I’m just pointing out thatthe Church does not condemn alcohol :kissme: or tobacco :hey_bud: - just their abuse; and I think the same criteria would apply to marijuana as far as determining whether you’re committing a sin.

And a Merry Christmas to you too (and cheers! 👍 ).
 
That my ffriend is up to you ,do you want to please God man,or yourself? Christ said render to Cesar what is his! That means to obey the law of the land,but he also says render to God first,which means to keep his commandments and to write his laws down in your heart which is also your brain,for what the brain thinks the heart follows,the heart and the mind are one. The lord cant use someone who is not in his or her right mind,and the holy spirit,can’t live in an unclean place. If you have a prescription because you are in great pain or dying of some disease and the doctor prescribes it,then you can render to cesar.But God wants us to have pure minds and hearts and if anything hinders that,it is not of God we dont know if God put these things here for medical reasons,like alcohol( never drink till your eyes are red)All things are put here to help man,not to hinder. But as it is writen do what the law says unless they say you can’t read your bible or worship anymore.For God comes first! Saucery in the bible was also another word for pharmacy. Look up a few things for your self and God will enlighten your mind so you can see.Save your money hard times are coming. In his love take care of your self Nancy:thumbsup:
 
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