Is it a sin or sinful to smoke marijuana?

[Ana]

I know, I know . . . they focus on smoking that pot - they don’t focus on what that pot smoker is doing to those around him (or, her).

Assumption.

Pot smokers become, because of continuously performing an illegal act in more and more chancey situations, super “con artists” and liars.

I smoke pot. I don’t lie, nor do I con anyone. If someone chooses to con others or lie, then those things would be a sin, not smoking pot. You make a lot of assumptions.

When a person becomes good at lying, they’ll lie to everyone, their wives/husbands, children, employers, clients, police, pastors, pushers, you name it.

My husband knows I smoke, my two spiritual advisors know I smoke, my confessors know I smoke (all three), my doctor knows I smoke, AND my employer knows I smoke. Incidently, my employer is an ex police officer and her husband just retired from the FBI. Lying is definitely a sin, but last I checked this thread was about marijuana.

Last I checked, bearing false witness and lying were sins. That which causes a person to sin, IS a sin (except on specific and rare occasions).

Marijuana does not cause people to lie. Lying is a choice. I live in a state where it is illegal. If someone asks, and they have a right to know, I’ll tell them. I believe that marijuana should be decriminalized (especially for medicinal purposes) and I stand up for what I believe. Now, the fact that the law unjustly persecutes those that smoke marijuana could cause people to be tempted to lie, to avoid persecution. But that is because of the unjust law, not because marijuana CAUSES people to lie. That is ridiculous.

Pot smoking causes greater and greater chances to be taken. Not just with ones self, but, with other’s lives too. They’ll bring pot to another’s home and clandestinely smoke it.

WHO does? I don’t. No sin there.

All the while not knowing whether or not the law is on their trail. (I have seen the results of instances of this with my own eyes.)

The law is the problem in this scenario, not the person. Although you might want to consider running in different circles.

Before I go to a party, I want to know who else is going and if any of them have a proclivity for pot smoking. I do not want my name in the newspaper the next morning.

Absolutely, especially for not doing anything wrong, like smoking marijuana in moderation.

But, the worst thing that happens is that the pot smoker inevitably slips into apathy. Apathy, more often than not, defeats a person’s natural inclination for survival. And, not just their own. Obviously, it can affect those people’s families.

… inevitably slips into apathy? Not when used in moderation. Apathy is a sin, smoking pot in moderation is not.
I use marijuana therapuetically. It helps me tremendously and I THANK GOD for it. It hasbeen an answer to prayer, and in my situation has HELPED my family because it helps me to be emotionally healthier. I already relayed my story earlier in the thread, so I am not going to repeat it now. But the differance pot has made in my life is one I am not willing to give up because people have watched too much Reefer Madness or sat through a DARE class with it’s scare tactics… It’s not mine nor my family’s fault, that illinformed and brainwashed people continue to spread and exaggerate the ill effects of marijuana. The Church I will listen too, ignorant people … NO.

Recently, my newspapers have had three instances where pot-smoking parents allowed (and even promoted) their children to smoke it. They were caught. Imagine the wonderful lives they will all have now. 3-year old children caught smoking pot - in unity with their parents. Brings a tear to one’s eye does is not?

I recently read of 3 drunk driving accidents that could have resulted in the DEATH of innocent people … therefore BRING BACK THE PROHIBITION!! … OR we could persecute the drunk drivers for DRIVING DRUNK (which is a sin.)

Merry Christmas and
God bless,
JD

Merry Christmas, and God bless you as well.

 

[CWBetts]

But isn’t breaking the law a sin? And just because you knew officers lax in thier duty does not justify the illeal act of using drugs.

 

[Ana]

But isn’t breaking the law a sin? And just because you knew officers lax in thier duty does not justify the illeal act of using drugs.

Breaking an UNJUST law is a sin.

You really need to stop making assumptions about people, IT IS UNCHARITABLE!!! Last I checked THAT was a sin.
These EX law enforcement officers were NOT lax in their duties! What do you want them to do, turn back time and arrest me? They wouldn’t anyway, because they love me and KNOW I am not a criminal or a junkie looking for an excuse to get high, which is more than I can say for YOU! They are fine upstanding citizens, and some of the most wonderful and morally upright people I know. If you knew them you would NEVER have said that.

 

[Ana]

But isn’t breaking the law a sin? And just because you knew officers lax in thier duty does not justify the illeal act of using drugs.

When and where did I ever say that THEY were the reasons I am justifying my therapuetic use of marijuana?

It is clear you are not discussing this, but pushing you’re own agenda, because you ignored the valid and LOGICAL points that I made and replied to an illogical one that you made up! Please don’t waste mine and other’s time that are trying to have a PRODUCTIVE discussion. This is a SERIOUS issue.

 

[CWBetts]

I have no agenda. Lets look at this logically. Using drugs is illegal. It is a sin to violate any law not contrary to teachings of the Church. Using drugs is not contrary to teachings of the Church. Therefore usung illegal drugs is a sin. If you are using marijuana for a legitimate therepeutic use, and this is legal in your jurisdiction, then there is no broken law, and therefore no sin. Otherwise, your smoking marijuana is sin, by virtue of its illegality. Remember, we are only free to break laws contrary to church teachings. As an extreme example, if infant baptism became illegal, we should still baptize our babies, because that is what the Church teaches. But there is n such protective umbrella for drug use.

 

[Ana]

I better hurry up and get back to my apathy filled life, sitting in a cloud of smoke saying, “Maybe I’ll …(fill in the blank) … NAAAAH!!!.” That’s in between running from the law, lying to my husband, and smoking up my children.

 

[Ana]

I have no agenda. Lets look at this logically. Using drugs is illegal. It is a sin to violate any law not contrary to teachings of the Church. Using drugs is not contrary to teachings of the Church. Therefore usung illegal drugs is a sin. If you are using marijuana for a legitimate therepeutic use, and this is legal in your jurisdiction, then there is no broken law, and therefore no sin. Otherwise, your smoking marijuana is sin, by virtue of its illegality. Remember, we are only free to break laws contrary to church teachings. As an extreme example, if infant baptism became illegal, we should still baptize our babies, because that is what the Church teaches. But there is n such protective umbrella for drug use.

This piont has been discussed already numerous times. I will reply, but I have to finish washing the cassocks for Mass and drop them off in the morning and it’s late. If I can find them in all the smoke, that is.

 

[CWBetts]

You are not arguing, you are ranting because you feel personally insulted because others have the audacity to disagree with you.

 

[warpspeedpetey]

You are not arguing, you are ranting because you feel personally insulted because others have the audacity to disagree with you.

say it as many times as you like, but if morality is based on geography then its worthless.

your argument only works if you are in a place it is illegal to smoke pot.

so it would be moral to smoke pot where it is legal.

common sense says thats a fallacious argument.

do you have an argument that refute the commonsense interpretation, or are you saying its moral to smoke where its legal?

please provide evidence or a logical argument.

 

[Ana]

You are not arguing, you are ranting because you feel personally insulted because others have the audacity to disagree with you.

You are right, I did get insulted when you insulted good friends of mine, by accusing them of being lax in their duties, without even knowing them. I could care less that you disaree, that is what dicussion and debate threads are about, sharing our own unique perspectives. NOT ignoring valid points, making up non existant ones, and throwing out blanket assumptions.

IF you ever took the time to look back over the thread, You will find many examples of replying charitably to those who do not hold the same opinions as I. It was not you disagreeing that irritated me. It was your assuming, rude and nonsensical replies. Yes, in my irritation, I became sarcastic, a character flaw of mine I am working on, and I am deeply sorry for that, but I don’t get mad because someone doesn’t agree with me. We all have our own minds to make up.

I challenge you to post an example of me being insulted because someone disagreed with my opinion. The only time I got tiffy on this thread, was when you personally insulted poeple that you don’t even know!

I’ve really got to go. I’m looking forward to your example.

 

[Ana]

do you have an argument that refute the commonsense interpretation, or are you saying its moral to smoke where its legal?

please provide evidence or a logical argument.

THANK YOU!! I am waiting … CWbetts.

 

[CWBetts]

I am not saying it is immoral to smoke pot. I am saying it is illegal to brake the law. Things are not always moral or always immoral. For example, driving at 150 mph on the highway would be a venial sin (providing no one got hurt), but would not be a sin at all on the racetrack. Likewise, smoking pot responsibly is not by its nature sinful, but becomes sinful by virtue of the law. Technically, what I am saying is that is is sinful because it is illegal. The sin is not in the smoking, it is in the violation of the law.

 

[Ana]

Likewise, smoking pot responsibly is not by its nature sinful, but becomes sinful by virtue of the law. Technically, what I am saying is that is is sinful because it is illegal. The sin is not in the smoking, it is in the violation of the law.

So, if smoking pot is not by it’s nature sinful (wrong), then wouldn’t a law that criminilizes those who are not doing something wrong be unjust?

BTW, I accept your humble apology for insulting people very dear to me, friends?

Kay … I am really going to finish those cassocks and be a good girl and go to bed. Have a blessed night ya’ll.

… I am not going to come back and look … I am going to sleep … I am not going to come back and look … I am going to sleep … I am not going to come back and look …

 

[CWBetts]

So, if smoking pot is not by it’s nature sinful (wrong), then wouldn’t a law that criminilizes those who are not doing something wrong be unjust?

BTW, I accept your humble apology for insulting people very dear to me, friends?

Kay … I am really going to finish those cassocks and be a good girl and go to bed. Have a blessed night ya’ll.

… I am not going to come back and look … I am going to sleep … I am not going to come back and look … I am going to sleep … I am not going to come back and look …

Not necessarily. There are laws in place for public health and safety. Morality is not the only justification for laws.

 

[rinnie]

But isn’t breaking the law a sin? And just because you knew officers lax in thier duty does not justify the illeal act of using drugs.

This is the exact answer I was going to give I agree with this 100%

 

[Ana]

This is the exact answer I was going to give I agree with this 100%

breaking a just law is a sin

I personally don’t know any police officers lax in their duty.

 

[Ana]

Not necessarily. There are laws in place for public health and safety. Morality is not the only justification for laws.

This is an interesting response! Finally, something that hasn’t been beaten to death. I am looking forward to examining this more closely and hearing others comments.

 

[rinnie]

breaking an unjust law is a sin

I personally don’t know any police officers lax in their duty.

Breaking an unjust law is a sin. What is an unjust law?

 

[RubyT]

Not necissarily depending upon the state. Not sure of the laws where you are, but in Wisconsin cases involving drugs are not prosecuted under operating while intoxicated. We have a law that makes “operating with a detectable amount of a restricted controlled substance” illegal. Whether or not the person is “under the influence” of the substance is irrelevant. So as long as you can detect it, it’s illegal.

I didn’t say it wasn’t illegal, I said it may be argued in court. Such as if the legal limit for alcohol is .08, if you blew a .09 your lawyer could actually argue this because of the use of the breathalizer, were the controls in range, were the controls on the high end of the range of 2 standard deviations, when was the last time it was calibrated, what is the sensivity of the test device, etc. Most test are not 100% sensitive to the drug. I was talking about the science and legalities involved - which a lawer can argue. But you would already be busted. Perhaps you misunderstood what I was conveying in regard to the science of it. (Reread post 251) 10 mg of THC would be a negative or undetectable and 11 mg would be barely detectable and thus arguable in court, because of the machine (analyzer) used. Machines(analyzers) are held to scientific standards. I hope this makes it more clear.
God Bless.

 

[RubyT]

You are not arguing, you are ranting because you feel personally insulted because others have the audacity to disagree with you.

How true it is.