Is it a sin or sinful to smoke marijuana?

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It isn’t so black and white … sorry. I’ll put it to you like this … … for some it would be sinful … and for others not sinful … according to their own specific situation, state in life, responsibilities etc … there is not a “one shoe fits all feet” answer to the question.
CCC quote: The use of drugs inflicts very grave damage to the human health and life. Their use EXCEPT ON STRICTLY THERAPEUTIC GROUNDS, IS A GRAVE OFFENSE. unquote

It is a one size fits all kind of answer. Its forbiden. A grave offense means mortal sin. Is it a sin to smoke dope, yep mortal sin. That is not my opinion it is the opinion of the Catholic Church. Is pot a drug, yep! A illegal one at that!😃
 
CCC quote: The use of drugs inflicts very grave damage to the human health and life. Their use EXCEPT ON STRICTLY THERAPEUTIC GROUNDS, IS A GRAVE OFFENSE. unquote

It is a one size fits all kind of answer. Its forbiden. A grave offense means mortal sin. Is it a sin to smoke dope, yep mortal sin. That is not my opinion it is the opinion of the Catholic Church. Is pot a drug, yep! A illegal one at that!😃
Can you tell me if recreational is also therapeutic?
 
Does it say recreational is therapeutic? Or does it say if not for medical reasons its a mortal sin. You read it what does it say?
Nope, I don’t see the word medical in the CCC. I see the word therapeutic. Do you know what the word recreational means?
 
Nope, I don’t see the word medical in the CCC. I see the word therapeutic. Do you know what the word recreational means?
Yep but you must not know what therapeutic means let me define it for you

Therapeutics the branch of medicine that deals with the treatment of disease. therapy.

Recreational any play, amusement etc used to relax or refresh the body or mind.

Recreational is not therapeutic. If you have a disease it is okay. Recreational does not say you have a disease. Therapeutics does.

Get it, got it, Good!😃
 
Yep but you must not know what therapeutic means let me define it for you

Therapeutics the branch of medicine that deals with the treatment of disease. therapy.

Recreational any play, amusement etc used to relax or refresh the body or mind.

Recreational is not therapeutic. If you have a disease it is okay. Recreational does not say you have a disease. Therapeutics does.

Get it, got it, Good!😃
Recreational is not therapeutic? You are talking to a former Physical Education teacher here … Just in case you don’t know what recreational means … .here is a definition given:

“Recreation or fun is the expenditure of time in a manner designed for therapeutic refreshment of one’s body or mind.”

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recreation
 
Recreational is not therapeutic? You are talking to a former Physical Education teacher here … Just in case you don’t know what recreational means … .here is a definition given:

“Recreation or fun is the expenditure of time in a manner designed for therapeutic refreshment of one’s body or mind.”

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recreation
Sorry then you need to go back to school. The CCC never brought up recreational.
 
Sorry then you need to go back to school. The CCC never brought up recreational.
No it didn’t … but I have enough common sense to realize doing various activities … that they can be therapeutic … because they are recreational … just like having a beer or glass of wine … 🙂
 
I don’t understand why smoking pot occasionally would be a sin while moderate alcohol consumtion is not. They both affect the mind to some degree, and it could be argued alcohol is more harmful to the individual and society.
 
I don’t understand why smoking pot occasionally would be a sin while moderate alcohol consumtion is not. They both affect the mind to some degree, and it could be argued alcohol is more harmful to the individual and society.
That requires a person to see the world in color rather than black and white 🙂
 
No it didn’t … but I have enough common sense to realize doing various activities … that they can be therapeutic … because they are recreational … just like having a beer or glass of wine … 🙂
No I am sorry you are wrong. It is not against the law to be caught with beer or wine in your house but have pot and see what happens. You could do time.
 
No I am sorry you are wrong. It is not against the law to be caught with beer or wine in your house but have pot and see what happens. You could do time.
Yes, in most parts of the US that is true … but there are some places it is legal … and I expect the trend to continue … and in other parts of the world marijuana is legal … this thread is not here to discuss the legality … but the morality (assuming that it is legal). …

so iassuming f it was legal, and a person used it moderately, responsibly … would you still support the view that its use would be immoral?
 
Yes, in most parts of the US that is true … but there are some places it is legal … and I expect the trend to continue … and in other parts of the world marijuana is legal … this thread is not here to discuss the legality … but the morality (assuming that it is legal). …

so iassuming f it was legal, and a person used it moderately, responsibly … would you still support the view that its use would be immoral?
What part of No do you not understand. Please go back and read what the Pope said. Where did the Pope say that we can use drugs for amusement. Please show me how you got that out of his statement.

Then if you can show me where he said that, we can talk. Do you always have such a hard time in reading simple English.

I showed it to my Son he is 22, I said what is the pope saying, He said if you do drugs other then from the Dr its a Sin. My Daughter 25 same thing.

Okay guys on this thread is there anyone here except for jk that see the Pope saying in his statement that we can do drugs for amusement only.

Come on Jk you are not even funny. Go back to school. Do us all a favor. Except the teacher:rotfl:
 
What part of No do you not understand. Please go back and read what the Pope said. Where did the Pope say that we can use drugs for amusement. Please show me how you got that out of his statement.

Then if you can show me where he said that, we can talk. Do you always have such a hard time in reading simple English.

I showed it to my Son he is 22, I said what is the pope saying, He said if you do drugs other then from the Dr its a Sin. My Daughter 25 same thing.

Okay guys on this thread is there anyone here except for jk that see the Pope saying in his statement that we can do drugs for amusement only.

Come on Jk you are not even funny. Go back to school. Do us all a favor. Except the teacher:rotfl:
LOL - I respect your right to disagree and I honestly appreciate your contribution to this thread. Just so you know, the place where I am in my life is that the Kingdom of God is not about food and drink (or marijuana). St. Paul says that “The kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.” Romans 14:17 Saint Paul also says “As one who is in the Lord Jesus, I am fully convinced that no food[a] is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for him it is unclean.” Romans 14:14 He also says that if you are not acting in love around others, then it doesn’t matter what you think is OK for you to do.

So given that, I acknowledge and validate your ideas that marijuana use is not a good thing and is immoral. But just so you know, that is not how I think about it - but I can sympathize with your position. If I were to ever smoke marijuana around anyone else that it could harm in any way, shape, or form, then I would not be acting out of love. It would then be wrong - period. But if and when I do have a smoke and that is not the case, then my conscience does not bother me. I give praise to God for all His gifts.
 
If it is legal, and the person using it does so in a moderate, responsible way, is the use of marijuana immoral?
It seems to be on the way to legality. A number of States have passed the medical marijuana. It is certainly a safer drug than alcohol in many ways.

Here are some basic principles that may applied to ethical decision making:

1 Cor 6:12-15
“All things are lawful for me,” but not all things are beneficial. “All things are lawful for me,” but I will not be dominated by anything. 13 “Food is meant for the stomach and the stomach for food,” and God will destroy both one and the other. The body is meant not for fornication but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body. 14 And God raised the Lord and will also raise us by his power. 15 Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ?

Some questions to ask with regard to morality might be:

Is it beneficial to me?

Does it get me in it’s power? Will I become dominated by it?

Is the Body of Christ benefitted?

1 Cor 6:19-20
19 Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, which you have from God, and that you are not your own? 20 For you were bought with a price; therefore glorify God in your body.

Does it glorify God?

This next principle (expediency) Paul describes with regard to food offered to idols. However, the principle can apply to other liberties as well:

1 Cor 8:8-13
We are no worse off if we do not eat, and no better off if we do. 9 But take care that this liberty of yours does not somehow become a stumbling block to the weak. 10 For if others see you, who possess knowledge, eating in the temple of an idol, might they not, since their conscience is weak, be encouraged to the point of eating food sacrificed to idols? 11 So by your knowledge those weak believers for whom Christ died are destroyed. 12 But when you thus sin against members of your family, and wound their conscience when it is weak, you sin against Christ. 13 Therefore, if food is a cause of their falling, I will never eat meat, so that I may not cause one of them to fall.

Does it cause a stumbling block to others? If another witnesses your behavior, will it be a cause for scandal? Might your liberty result in leading a brother astray who cannot afford such liberty?

This last passage has to do with evangelism:

1 Cor 10:23-11:1

“All things are lawful,” but not all things are beneficial. “All things are lawful,” but not all things build up. 24 Do not seek your own advantage, but that of the other. 25 Eat whatever is sold in the meat market without raising any question on the ground of conscience, 26 for “the earth and its fullness are the Lord’s.” 27 If an unbeliever invites you to a meal and you are disposed to go, eat whatever is set before you without raising any question on the ground of conscience. 28 But if someone says to you, “This has been offered in sacrifice,” then do not eat it, out of consideration for the one who informed you, and for the sake of conscience — 29 I mean the other’s conscience, not your own. For why should my liberty be subject to the judgment of someone else’s conscience? 30 If I partake with thankfulness, why should I be denounced because of that for which I give thanks?

31 So, whether you eat or drink, or whatever you do, do everything for the glory of God. 32 Give no offense to Jews or to Greeks or to the church of God, 33 just as I try to please everyone in everything I do, not seeking my own advantage, but that of many, so that they may be saved.

Will engaging in this behavior benefit others? Does it give glory to God? Does it seek the advantage of others as well as oneself?
 
It seems to be on the way to legality. A number of States have passed the medical marijuana. It is certainly a safer drug than alcohol in many ways.

Here are some basic principles that may applied to ethical decision making:

1 Cor 6:12-15
“All things are lawful for me,” but not all things are beneficial. “All things are lawful for me,” but I will not be dominated by anything. 13 “Food is meant for the stomach and the stomach for food,” and God will destroy both one and the other. The body is meant not for fornication but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body. 14 And God raised the Lord and will also raise us by his power. 15 Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ?

Some questions to ask with regard to morality might be:

Is it beneficial to me?

Does it get me in it’s power? Will I become dominated by it?

Is the Body of Christ benefitted?

1 Cor 6:19-20
19 Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, which you have from God, and that you are not your own? 20 For you were bought with a price; therefore glorify God in your body.

Does it glorify God?

This next principle (expediency) Paul describes with regard to food offered to idols. However, the principle can apply to other liberties as well:

1 Cor 8:8-13
We are no worse off if we do not eat, and no better off if we do. 9 But take care that this liberty of yours does not somehow become a stumbling block to the weak. 10 For if others see you, who possess knowledge, eating in the temple of an idol, might they not, since their conscience is weak, be encouraged to the point of eating food sacrificed to idols? 11 So by your knowledge those weak believers for whom Christ died are destroyed. 12 But when you thus sin against members of your family, and wound their conscience when it is weak, you sin against Christ. 13 Therefore, if food is a cause of their falling, I will never eat meat, so that I may not cause one of them to fall.

Does it cause a stumbling block to others? If another witnesses your behavior, will it be a cause for scandal? Might your liberty result in leading a brother astray who cannot afford such liberty?

This last passage has to do with evangelism:

1 Cor 10:23-11:1

“All things are lawful,” but not all things are beneficial. “All things are lawful,” but not all things build up. 24 Do not seek your own advantage, but that of the other. 25 Eat whatever is sold in the meat market without raising any question on the ground of conscience, 26 for “the earth and its fullness are the Lord’s.” 27 If an unbeliever invites you to a meal and you are disposed to go, eat whatever is set before you without raising any question on the ground of conscience. 28 But if someone says to you, “This has been offered in sacrifice,” then do not eat it, out of consideration for the one who informed you, and for the sake of conscience — 29 I mean the other’s conscience, not your own. For why should my liberty be subject to the judgment of someone else’s conscience? 30 If I partake with thankfulness, why should I be denounced because of that for which I give thanks?

31 So, whether you eat or drink, or whatever you do, do everything for the glory of God. 32 Give no offense to Jews or to Greeks or to the church of God, 33 just as I try to please everyone in everything I do, not seeking my own advantage, but that of many, so that they may be saved.

Will engaging in this behavior benefit others? Does it give glory to God? Does it seek the advantage of others as well as oneself?
Very very nicely said and food for thought for all. This is clearly (at least for me) inspired by the Holy Spirit.
 
LOL - I respect your right to disagree and I honestly appreciate your contribution to this thread. Just so you know, the place where I am in my life is that the Kingdom of God is not about food and drink (or marijuana). St. Paul says that “The kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.” Romans 14:17 Saint Paul also says “As one who is in the Lord Jesus, I am fully convinced that no food[a] is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for him it is unclean.” Romans 14:14 He also says that if you are not acting in love around others, then it doesn’t matter what you think is OK for you to do.

So given that, I acknowledge and validate your ideas that marijuana use is not a good thing and is immoral. But just so you know, that is not how I think about it - but I can sympathize with your position. If I were to ever smoke marijuana around anyone else that it could harm in any way, shape, or form, then I would not be acting out of love. It would then be wrong - period. But if and when I do have a smoke and that is not the case, then my conscience does not bother me. I give praise to God for all His gifts.
Okay then we do have different views, here is why. I do not agree with you that getting stoned is a gift from God. I feel it is a gift from the devil. Getting stoned means you are not happy enough with your life and you need escape. So you escape from reality, but sooner or later you must come back to reality. If you are not lucky enough to accept that grace from God you never do. Then the devil got ya, and hes keeping you. Then you need a better gift, and the devil is there to again give you that gift a better drug, lets say coke, maybe crack. Then you are really in trouble.

Now a glass of wine or two is completely different from getting stoned. Is getting drunk out of your mind a sin, yes it is. But is havng a drink or so a sin, if you can keep within yours senses, no it is not. IF two glasses of wine get your drunk you are sinning.

I can have a glass of wine and be the exact same person before and after I drink it. I cannot get stoned and say the same thing. Big difference. This is one battle you will not win with be. I have seen first hand what getting stoned can do to your life.

I have also seen people every day enjoy a glass of beer or wine and not destroy their lives. You can be a social drinker and handle it. It has been done. you cannot be a social stoner. You cannot control what dope does to you. Wine, beer, etc is legal and shows the content. Pot could have anything in it.

Jesus proved a glass of wine is not a sin, but he also said not to drink until you cannot stand up. Everything comes from God, yes it does. SO then if you can get stoned you can do crack too. ITs just as natural. From your point of view. Sorry you view is not cutting it with me. And I am sorry I cannot respect it.

I feel you have even a bigger responsibility for your education to not be acting this way. Kids look up to you even more and you are confusing them. ITs not funny.
 
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