Is it a sin or sinful to smoke marijuana?

[warpspeedpetey]

Well I am going to tell you what my little friend. You get a hold of the Clevland Clinic and let them take a scan of your brain. And when they take a little scan of your brain they can tell you what that weed did to you brain cells. Its now official. They never knew before how harmfull weed was for you, now they know. Don’t believe me call the clinic. I know! Get a scan of someone that smokes weed and someone that does not. The proof is there. It slows down the cells in your brain, Hey don’t believe me find out for yourself. And if you think weed is bad, well try some coke next that another big one.

funny but thats not what respectable science says, here are some people that disagree

webmd.com/mental-health/news/20030701/heavy-marijuana-use-doesnt-damage-brain

fcda.org/cannabisbrain.htm

we could play dueling studies all day, but both sides have vested interests and cant be trusted. because of that.

yet i know from my personal experience and the many, many other heavy smokers i have known over the last couple decades. you cant tell us from anyone else in your life, you would never believe what i do for a living, or my education, or the many professionals in various occupations that are also stoners. i have known 1 person who sought treatment, and i know 1 person who has panic attacks when he smokes. they solved these problems by not smoking anymore, pretty effective that.

No one is saying Alcohol is not a drug, anything that slows you down or speeds you up is drug. But more people can be social drinkers then social weed smokers.

what evidence is there of this? they dont have AA for pot, only for alcohol, and hard drugs.

Please trust me I know. I have seen what weed can do to familys too.

i have never seen it do anything to families in general. and i have known a great many smokers, but i have seen what alcohol or cocaine and heroin does to families, but not pot

It just hasn’t been as popular as alcohol give it time. How many grandfather and etc smoked weed, not many but they did drink. Wait for another fifty years you will see.

pot was quite popular in other places and times, its only been illegal since the thirties here in the united states. people have been smoking for thousands of years, and there is simply no evidence for these horrible effects.

further some studies say as many as 80 million people have used marijuana, if thats not a decent sample size i dont know what is.

frankly all the things you have mentioned are myths, nothing more. things my 82 year old grandma believes but no one else who has any experience with it.

if any of them were true then we should have solid statistical evidence, but we dont, that puts big holes in your arguments.

 

[CWBetts]

Your problem is that you are miosidentifying the sin. The sin is lawlessness, so the SIN IS IN BREAKING THE LAW. I cannot simplify it any more than this. And in the United States, recreational use of marijuana is illegal in all 50 states. This is not morality by geography, this is submission to your government. I have had about enough of your wiggling around sin because you feel it is your God-given right to be a pothead. It has detrimental long and short term effects. It is illegal. Running the risk of fines or imprisonment for self-gratifiacation is HIGHLY irresponsible. But I guess I cant convince you otherwise because you already know everything.

 

[warpspeedpetey]

Your problem is that you are miosidentifying the sin. The sin is lawlessness, so the SIN IS IN BREAKING THE LAW. I cannot simplify it any more than this. And in the United States, recreational use of marijuana is illegal in all 50 states.

I UNDERSTAND, I JUST THINK YOU ARE WRONG.
the united states is not the whole world. other people have other ideas.
even here it was legal in some places until the feds tied highway funds to its criminalization.

you are only saying it is a sin where it is illegal, that is ridiculous, an imaginary line on the map is of no moral consequence.

This is not morality by geography, this is submission to your government. I have had about enough of your wiggling around sin because you feel it is your God-given right to be a pothead.

who is wiggling?, i am making accurate arguments, you just dont seem to want to accept that pot is not universally illicit, nor has it always been in the U.S. until federal highway fund were tied to states passing certain drug legislation. same way the feds forced uniform DUI laws.

p.s. how bout you tone down the talk about what you have had enough of? i am tolerating you with a great deal of patience if you cant return the favor then do what you promised earlier and stop posting.

It has detrimental long and short term effects

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you need proof that it is any worse than alcohol. but it isnt, if it was then there would be something like AA but there is not. in light of this why do you keep insisting on these harmful effects?

It is illegal.

only in some places

Running the risk of fines or imprisonment for self-gratifiacation is HIGHLY irresponsible.

same goes for taking a drink or smoking a cigarette, eating too much fat, or not exercising, they are all irresponsible, but have nothing to do with the law, all actions have consequences. big deal.

But I guess I cant convince you otherwise because you already know everything.

you haven’t convinced me because you haven’t been able to defend your arguments, when their flaws are exposed, you just keep repeating them, hoping volume or repetition will win the day, but it wont, at least not with me, i require evidence and arguments. have you considered that you just might be wrong?

 

[Coder]

One must look at the motive for taking drugs. The drug can become a false idol. It can be a temptation with a promise of happiness yet it will not satisfy the true need of a human for God. Turn away from drugs and turn to Jesus.

 

[JDaniel]

One must look at the motive for taking drugs. The drug can become a false idol. It can be a temptation with a promise of happiness yet it will not satisfy the true need of a human for God. Turn away from drugs and turn to Jesus.

I wish to correct some misinformation going on in this thread:

First, America is not the only country in the world where cannabis use is illegal. Its use is illegal in most of the EU. The Netherlands are in the process of trying what is called a “soft” approach to controlling its use. What is illegal in the Netherlands is the growing and transportation of weed. The use of weed has been legalized; but, the problem is getting it to the coffeehouses.

Second, this soft approach has made many of the other EU countries more than a little upset. The German government is now toying with the idea a trying out the Netherland’s model.

Third, the citizens of Holland have just about had it with drug use, including weed use. The citizens want to take back their country. Weed and other drug use there is now causing all kinds of internal problems. It appears that the legalization of pot use there has opened the door for other, harder drugs to increase their way into mainstream distribution.

Now, I’m sure that there are many “responsible” weed users in the world. The problem is that there are many that are not. Responsible, that is, two-drink-max drinkers are given a bad rap by those who cannot control their drinking. Likewise, responsible, that is, three-toke-users of pot, are given a bad rap by the mis-users and abusers by the side-by-side transportation of harder drugs. Governments around the world are compelled to control weed for these reasons.

Third, despite the “legality” of pot use in some States, the US government still considers it illegal throughout all of its territories. You can be relaxing on your verandah, inhaling a couple of tokes and through the doors come the Feds. While I agree, the dichotomy between pot and alcohol laws seems rather dumb, I submit that we rarely see side-by-side transportation of alcohol and hard drugs.

Against the mis-users of alcohol, MADD has been very effective at causing severe hardship for even first-time violators of driving under the influence by the various States. I would also submit, that a strong part of the reason that we have not seen as much damage from pot as we have from alcohol is precisely that pot has been illegal and, therefore, not incurred nearly as much in public.

Thus, I continue to stand by my earlier post listing only six reasons that cause pot smoking to be a sin.

Merry Christmas and
God Bless,
jd

 

[janw]

I know. I have friends who use pot. But of all my friends that use pot, none of them have a medical condition. Fact is, there are drugs that can be used in place of pot… and as our law reads, that is what we should yield too.

I find it a shame that pot carries such intense sentences. It’s sad- because truly, these people are not a threat to society.

But our SYSTEM wants them to fail. The prison system has become privatized and they use prisoners as slaves in the work force. And once a user of marijuana is busted, it is very hard for them to get out of it; because they fail their blood test and back to jail they go.

I think the penalties are v very harsh- considering the people I know who use. BUT, as a Catholic, it is ludicrous to say you can use marijuana and be in a state of grace.

Jesus said do not be a double minded man…
to be of one mind is to have one resolve…
SERVE HIM

The laws need to be changed and I believe they will be one day. For now I believe if someone chooses to use for medical reasons or once in a while in moderation, I do not believe it is a mortal sin.
Alcohol being a much worst evil and the person who has a drink once in a while is just as guilty of sin as the person who smokes a joint once in a while. If either is sinful.

Alcohol addiction can physically kill, it breaks of families. I know, my father was one of the worst alcoholics I’ve ever know. He fought it with all he had but it won. Its up there with heroin and morphine. Have you ever heard of a pothead ending up in icu with dts, not sure what that stands for but it almost killed my father many times.

Abortion is legal in this country, but if a doctor or judge advised me to have one I will not. The laws we have on marijuana are almost as crazy. I think someone has to use their own judgement sometimes.

Those that are so against the legalization of marijuana must not have all the facts. Some just listen to the same government that thinks abortion and euthanasia are ok.eek:

It should be legal and taxed and only for those over 21. Use the billions we spend hunting it down, prosecuting users and keeping them in prison for drug programs and education concerning the abuse of any drug. Our country would be in much better shape.

 

[janw]

Well I am going to tell you what my little friend. You get a hold of the Clevland Clinic and let them take a scan of your brain. And when they take a little scan of your brain they can tell you what that weed did to you brain cells. Its now official. They never knew before how harmfull weed was for you, now they know. Don’t believe me call the clinic. I know! Get a scan of someone that smokes weed and someone that does not. The proof is there. It slows down the cells in your brain, Hey don’t believe me find out for yourself. And if you think weed is bad, well try some coke next that another big one. No one is saying Alcohol is not a drug, anything that slows you down or speeds you up is drug. But more people can be social drinkers then social weed smokers. Please trust me I know. I have seen what weed can do to familys too. It just hasn’t been as popular as alcohol give it time. How many grandfather and etc smoked weed, not many but they did drink. Wait for another fifty years you will see.

I personally know many grandfathers who smoked most of their lives. Now they seem to smoke less due to the cost mostly.

Alcohol kills brain cells. So let not forget that one. Most who are against marijuana sure believe the more evil alcohol should be legal.

 

[CWBetts]

No one has yet explained where it says we can choose to break the law because we want to, and not because of moral obligation.

 

[AHapka]

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Alcohol being a much worst evil and the person who has a drink once in a while is just as guilty of sin as the person who smokes a joint once in a while. If either is sinful…

It should be legal and taxed and only for those over 21.

Well, we know alcohol is not a sin because Jesus drank.

Out of curiosity, where did you come up with the age of 21? Just curious to see the logic behind that particular age.

 

[janw]

Well, we know alcohol is not a sin because Jesus drank.

Out of curiosity, where did you come up with the age of 21? Just curious to see the logic behind that particular age.

That is the age at which you are allowed to purchase the far more evil alcohol. Of course I’m sure you already knew that and will make some statement about it has to do with the law.

Now the ones who love alcohol have had the most authority in making laws. That will change one day and marijuana will be legal as the younger ones will not have the old bias. They will know even if they do not wish to use, that its crazy to have alcohol legal and pot not legal. Its just a matter of time.

Jesus drank wine because it was the only thing to drink other than water. Also the alcohol content was much lower than today

 

[janw]

No one has yet explained where it says we can choose to break the law because we want to, and not because of moral obligation.

I would love to get an honest answer as to how many drink such a small amount of alcohol that they do not get a buzz. If you think getting a little buzz from alcohol is not a sin, you need to read the scriptures. They say to be sober minded, be not drunk with wine, etc, etc.

 

[warpspeedpetey]

No one has yet explained where it says we can choose to break the law because we want to, and not because of moral obligation.

no body has claimed that. at least not me. i just dont think it is sinful to smoke, and that is the question of the thread.

 

[nancy_dalrymple]

I would love to get an honest answer as to how many drink such a small amount of alcohol that they do not get a buzz. If you think getting a little buzz from alcohol is not a sin, you need to read the scriptures. They say to be sober minded, be not drunk with wine, etc, etc.

Hi, Paul said drink a little wine for your stomach to timothy also wine is in the bible from genisis to revelations.also beer goes back some 6000years bc from messapitomina,they had no way to keep it cool but to keep it in skin flasks,so I imagine it was pritty potent. But the Lord said all things in moderation.Look up Hemp it has all kinds of uses they make sneakers,pants,coats,rope,they use it for lubricants,for machinerys,in the 1940’s. The gov,outlawed it because they cant control it. The yealding cash profit for it would solve the issue of the defficit,and attribute it to solve world hunger.
Marijuana has multi medical purposes,it’s use is unbelievable. Even coffee is adictive,and you can get high on too much and wonderfull chocolate,give enough to a child a it will be up all night.
www.answerbag.com/q_view/24494 Nancy

 

[AHapka]

That is the age at which you are allowed to purchase the far more evil alcohol. Of course I’m sure you already knew that and will make some statement about it has to do with the law.

Now the ones who love alcohol have had the most authority in making laws. That will change one day and marijuana will be legal as the younger ones will not have the old bias. They will know even if they do not wish to use, that its crazy to have alcohol legal and pot not legal. Its just a matter of time.

Jesus drank wine because it was the only thing to drink other than water. Also the alcohol content was much lower than today

If alcohol is far more evil, then the marijuana age should be lower by that logic. I never understood where they got 21 from anyway, it’s like someone picked a number out of thin air for no real reason.

I support an 18 year old drinking age, anyway. Far too many people think that alcohol is evil and don’t teach responsible drinking. My kids will (and in some cases already have) their first tastes of alcohol more then a decade before they turn 21. Responsible drinkers are not the problem. Those who cannot control themselves are. It’s my job as a parent to teach responsible drinking.

I’m actually neutral on the marijuana legal debate. I’ve seen good arguements both ways. I have seen moderate users of marijana that most people would never guess use it. I’ve also seen heavy users that can no longer function in society.

My problem is with the drug trade, and with the tactics of dealers primarily.

 

[janw]

Hi, Paul said drink a little wine for your stomach to timothy also wine is in the bible from genisis to revelations.also beer goes back some 6000years bc from messapitomina,they had no way to keep it cool but to keep it in skin flasks,so I imagine it was pritty potent. But the Lord said all things in moderation.Look up Hemp it has all kinds of uses they make sneakers,pants,coats,rope,they use it for lubricants,for machinerys,in the 1940’s. The gov,outlawed it because they cant control it. The yealding cash profit for it would solve the issue of the defficit,and attribute it to solve world hunger.
Marijuana has multi medical purposes,it’s use is unbelievable. Even coffee is adictive,and you can get high on too much and wonderfull chocolate,give enough to a child a it will be up all night.
www.answerbag.com/q_view/24494 Nancy

I think it is not sinful in moderation. Just trying to make a point. Those who think its so bad are usually the same one who like to drink, which they think is ok as long as they don’t get stinking drunk.

 

[fbl9]

My problem is with the drug trade, and with the tactics of dealers primarily.

that is one of my biggest factor in this debate,there has been the suggestion just to grow for oneself as a way to eliminate this issue…
the other thing is a scandal issue…
just how serious would some one take one’s testamony of Christ in their life between pulls…

 

[CWBetts]

no body has claimed that. at least not me. i just dont think it is sinful to smoke, and that is the question of the thread.

By saying it is not sinful to smoke, you are saying it is not sinful to break laws just because you want to.

 

[warpspeedpetey]

By saying it is not sinful to smoke, you are saying it is not sinful to break laws just because you want to.

smoking is not breaking the law everywhere, that is morality by geography, it denies common sense

 

[Lead_Me_Home]

That is a tricky question. My friend asked me that last week and I could not come up with a 100% yes/no answer. The reason why was partly because I have no personal experience with the substance however I’ll simplify it to the use of alcohol. The consumption of alcohol on its own is not a sin, however when one is drunk/intoxicated it is a sin. This is because when one is drunk you have put yourself in a position in-which you are completely distracted from God and are using a good thing for bad. Jesus talks about this in the Bible when the Pharisees accuse him of being a drunkard because he consumed alcohol. (If I find the verse I’ll tell you) So if Marijuana can be consumed like alcohol with moderation and is equivalent in its effects to a mere glass of wine it is not a sin.
I don’t believe you can say that Marijuana in itself is evil nor could you say alcohol. Surely when someone uses marijuana for medicinal purposes like complications with cancer/chemo or in light doses as aspirin. This is the equivalent to a glass of wine to better your heart and red blood cells. These substances become part of evil when violent gangs, gun violence, addiction (alcohol), become a result of certain people’s abuse of these materials.
I am not telling you to go smoke weed though I for one don’t think it’s worth the risk of bodily harm (cancer), or jail.

I must say I am kind of disappointed that so many people sighted U.S. laws instead of the Bible or the Catechism. Surely you can not argue that the law of man is superior to that of God. After man maid laws have allowed abortion, the death penalty, genocide, a devastating slave trade, along with countless other evils because of the human nature to be flawed as well as capable of good and evil.

See this website: gotquestions.org/sin-alcohol.html

 

[Cactus]

If its therapeutic uses are valid, why don’t they figure out some way to administer it without smoking it. I can’t think of any other medicine that is normally administered this way.