Tis_Bearself
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Okay, I actually dug up the primary source so we can lay this to rest, since you keep quoting this secondary source and though you mention “translations in other languages” you didn’t see fit to link one.
When you make an argument like “saint is removed from Roman Martyrology in 2004” it’s best to just post the primary source even if it’s not in English. A lot of us can read sufficiently in non-English languages to understand them. Secondary sources on topics like this are always questionable, because there are also dozens of current secondary sources that do not show these saints as being deleted.
As you said, the latest version of Martyrologium Romanum was published in 2004.
There is no official English translation because apparently one has been in the works since 2004 and is being held up by Cardinal Sarah or something.
There is also no digitized Latin version on the web.
There apparently was a digitized unofficial French version which I can no longer find.
There is a website with what appears to be a partial and hard to follow unofficial Italian translation.
There was a website at eCatholichub dot net that had a searchable database of all the 2004 listed saints in English, but that was shut down and merged somehow to Catholic News Agency who may or may not have made use of the data for their own saints database.
(What a mess all of this is.)
That leaves us with apparently the only usable digitized version online being an unofficial Spanish translation hosted by the Diocese of the Canary Islands, of all places.
The 2004 Roman Martyrology, in Spanish, broken into two parts:
Part 1 - January through June
http://www.diocesisdecanarias.es/downloads/santosmartirologioenerojunio.pdf
Part 2 - July through December
http://www.diocesisdecanarias.es/downloads/santosmartirologiojuliodiciembre.pdf
If one goes to November 27 (page 648-649 of Part 2) , and compare with the old 1900 version of the Martyrology posted on Boston Catholic Journal page, then we see, reliably, that you are correct and Sts. Barlaam and Josaphat (aka Joasaph) have been deleted from the 2004 version of the Roman Martyrology.
However, Catholics are still likely to think they are saints, thanks to websites like CatholicSaints.info, which has a large entry on Sts. Barlaam and Josaphat here
and books like Matthew Bunson’s Our Sunday Visitor’s Encyclopedia of Saints.
From a personal standpoint, while I concede your point about them being deleted from the 2004 version of the Martyrology, I am always a bit skeptical when the Vatican “deletes” saints that have been venerated for hundreds of years based largely on the writings of another saint - in this case St. John Damascene, who is mentioned in the entry for Sts. Barlaam and Josaphat in the 1900 Martyrology. See also St. Philomena, known largely through St. John Vianney but later deleted. During the hundreds of years that people asked the intercessions of Sts. Philomena, Barlaam and Josaphat, someone in Heaven had to have been answering.
When you make an argument like “saint is removed from Roman Martyrology in 2004” it’s best to just post the primary source even if it’s not in English. A lot of us can read sufficiently in non-English languages to understand them. Secondary sources on topics like this are always questionable, because there are also dozens of current secondary sources that do not show these saints as being deleted.
As you said, the latest version of Martyrologium Romanum was published in 2004.
There is no official English translation because apparently one has been in the works since 2004 and is being held up by Cardinal Sarah or something.
There is also no digitized Latin version on the web.
There apparently was a digitized unofficial French version which I can no longer find.
There is a website with what appears to be a partial and hard to follow unofficial Italian translation.
There was a website at eCatholichub dot net that had a searchable database of all the 2004 listed saints in English, but that was shut down and merged somehow to Catholic News Agency who may or may not have made use of the data for their own saints database.
(What a mess all of this is.)
That leaves us with apparently the only usable digitized version online being an unofficial Spanish translation hosted by the Diocese of the Canary Islands, of all places.
The 2004 Roman Martyrology, in Spanish, broken into two parts:
Part 1 - January through June
http://www.diocesisdecanarias.es/downloads/santosmartirologioenerojunio.pdf
Part 2 - July through December
http://www.diocesisdecanarias.es/downloads/santosmartirologiojuliodiciembre.pdf
If one goes to November 27 (page 648-649 of Part 2) , and compare with the old 1900 version of the Martyrology posted on Boston Catholic Journal page, then we see, reliably, that you are correct and Sts. Barlaam and Josaphat (aka Joasaph) have been deleted from the 2004 version of the Roman Martyrology.
However, Catholics are still likely to think they are saints, thanks to websites like CatholicSaints.info, which has a large entry on Sts. Barlaam and Josaphat here
and books like Matthew Bunson’s Our Sunday Visitor’s Encyclopedia of Saints.
From a personal standpoint, while I concede your point about them being deleted from the 2004 version of the Martyrology, I am always a bit skeptical when the Vatican “deletes” saints that have been venerated for hundreds of years based largely on the writings of another saint - in this case St. John Damascene, who is mentioned in the entry for Sts. Barlaam and Josaphat in the 1900 Martyrology. See also St. Philomena, known largely through St. John Vianney but later deleted. During the hundreds of years that people asked the intercessions of Sts. Philomena, Barlaam and Josaphat, someone in Heaven had to have been answering.
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