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TheLittleLady
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Is it acceptable for a Transgender Person to be a Communion Server?
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Roguish
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No, you’re certainly not wrong to feel this way. I’m not sure what the Church’s official stance on the matter is, or if She even has an official stance, but it is seriously wrong to have as a communion server someone whose behavior or appearance goes against the natural (and therefore entirely justified) sensibilities of other Christians.What is the church’s position on a transgender person being a Communion Server? Our church is allowing this person to serve Communion and it bothers me. Am I wrong to feel this way?
Medical reasons are not a valid excuse. If someone has Gilles-de-la-Tourette syndrome we don’t make him a communion server either. Not everybody is suitable for every task, or entitled to it.
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vsedriver
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none of that changes the reality that the child is still a boy.If a boy hates toy soldiers, wants to dress like a girl, and play with dolls, (in spite of the bullying they receive from their parents, peers, and society), then there’s probably a reason for it.
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Weserthy
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This ruling was in response to a question from a Spanish bishop; I do not know if the documented response is floating around out there somewhere (can’t find it if it is) but the bishop made the Vatican’s response public:Please link the document from the CDF. Thanks
https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/...exual-godparents-amid-spain-controversy-54280
In their response, the congregation – charged with safeguarding Catholic teaching – said that it is “impossible to allow” a person with transsexual behavior to be a baptismal godmother or godfather.
In the Vatican’s full response – which the bishop provided in his statement – the congregation explained that transsexual behavior “reveals in a public way an attitude opposite to the moral imperative of solving the problem of sexual identity according to the truth of one’s own sexuality.”
“Therefore it is evident that this person does not possess the requirement of leading a life according to the faith and in the position of godfather and is therefore unable to be admitted to the position of godfather or godmother,” they said, referring to canon 874 §3 in the Code of Canon Law.
However, the congregation stressed that there is “no discrimination toward (Alex), but only the recognition of an objective lack of the requirements, which by their nature are necessary to assume the ecclesial responsibility of being a godfather.”
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Maximilian75
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Certainly.I think first we must realize none of the “communion servers” are sinless.
However, I’d hope that the Church would ask that persons serving in such a public role would be striving and working towards embodying the teaching of the Church in their lives, as opposed to flaunting the Church’s guidance and engaging in the sexual confusion of the culture of today.
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Carmelite1983
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Pretty sure all the Eucharistic ministers at my church are sinners too…
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Carmelite1983
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Maybe this person is early in his/her journey to holiness. I don’t know this person, but maybe they’re far holier than they were last year, and I bet helping out at Mass will lead them to be the best they are supposed to be.
Just a thought.
Just a thought.
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Maximilian75
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" I bet helping out at Mass will lead them to be the best they are supposed to be."
Yes, but what if there are others who are being deceived as to the Church’s teachings on human sexuality as a result of the seeming endorsement of this person’s public lifestyle by this parish?
Yes, but what if there are others who are being deceived as to the Church’s teachings on human sexuality as a result of the seeming endorsement of this person’s public lifestyle by this parish?
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Carmelite1983
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Good point. Not sure how I’d react either I suppose…
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Chicken_Pigeon
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Interesting I’ve never seen a post like this about obese people being extraordinary ministers…
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VeryBlessed
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It would be difficult for me as an adult too. But it is all the more complicated and difficult when my school age children notice and then ask questions about things I feel they are too young for me to introduce yet, and, infer that the church is fine with embracing a trans world view. It sends a message. Would you want a trans person as your child’s Christian formation or confirmation teacher? I see no easy answers here…
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TheLittleLady
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I’d like to read the actual document from the CDF. This is an article about the document.
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Richca
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No, its not acceptable, its a grave scandal and no you are not wrong to feel this way as transgenderism is unnatural. Gender dysphoria or transgenderism are unnatural confused inclinations as is homosexuality and it is a grave sin to act on either as it is contrary to nature and the natural law, objective truth, and common sense as God created human beings, male and female, he created them. Various factors may lessen the person’s culpability especially in children who may struggle with various disordered sexual desires or sexual identity.What is the church’s position on a transgender person being a Communion Server? Our church is allowing this person to serve Communion and it bothers me. Am I wrong to feel this way?
The Church has been clear in its teaching in rejecting gender ideology as contrary to objective truth and God’s plan for each human being. The following are some links I found:
http://www.ncregister.com/daily-new...nt-us-catholics-engage-with-truth-and-charity
Open Letter from the USCCB ‘Created Male and Female’
http://www.usccb.org/issues-and-act...fense-of-marriage/created-male-and-female.cfm
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/b...ans-rights-bill-as-unacceptable-for-catholics
https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/...is-brings-clarity-to-transgender-issues-90466
From The National Catholic Bioethics Center:
https://www.ncbcenter.org/resources/news/ncbcs-brief-statement-transgenderism/
From the Canadian Catholic Bioethics Institute:
http://www.ccbi-utoronto.ca/wp-cont...aching_Transgender_March2016_Vol141_FINAL.pdf
Pope Benedict XVI to the Curia, December 12, 2012 (in the above link):
‘The profound falsehood of this (gender
identity) theory and of the anthropological
revolution contained within it is obvious’.
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Richca
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As other posters have mentioned, you can bring the problem up to your pastor or to the bishop. The salvation of souls is all our responsibility but especially the pastors of the Church who are going to have to answer to God someday concerning the flock that is entrusted to them. If they don’t do anything, you can possibly go to Mass at a different time or to another parish. Trust in Jesus, he is in control of his Church. The demonic powers and principalities are out in full force to destroy the Church and society and bring down to hell as many souls as they can. Be kind to the person who you believe is transgender as best you can which doesn’t mean, however, you accept the sinful behavior. Obviously, if the pastor doesn’t do anything he is going to think what he is doing is alright and this is kind of outside of your control in a certain sense but Jesus knows what is going on so trust Him. Many of the LGBT activists are not well intentioned but are under demonic influence but we can and ought to pray for their conversion which God alone can effect with his grace. These people are confused and so with charity and compassion we ought to love the sinner and pray and work for their salvation but hate the sin. We all have crosses to bear.
The seven spiritual works of mercy:
As other posters have mentioned, you can bring the problem up to your pastor or to the bishop. The salvation of souls is all our responsibility but especially the pastors of the Church who are going to have to answer to God someday concerning the flock that is entrusted to them. If they don’t do anything, you can possibly go to Mass at a different time or to another parish. Trust in Jesus, he is in control of his Church. The demonic powers and principalities are out in full force to destroy the Church and society and bring down to hell as many souls as they can. Be kind to the person who you believe is transgender as best you can which doesn’t mean, however, you accept the sinful behavior. Obviously, if the pastor doesn’t do anything he is going to think what he is doing is alright and this is kind of outside of your control in a certain sense but Jesus knows what is going on so trust Him. Many of the LGBT activists are not well intentioned but are under demonic influence but we can and ought to pray for their conversion which God alone can effect with his grace. These people are confused and so with charity and compassion we ought to love the sinner and pray and work for their salvation but hate the sin. We all have crosses to bear.
The seven spiritual works of mercy:
- To instruct the ignorant
- To counsel the doubtful
- To admonish sinners
- To bear wrongs patiently
- To forgive offences willingly
- To comfort the afflicted
- To pray for the living and the dead
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tweedlealice
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Excuse me! We’re pushing the homosexual envelope w transgender. A chaste homosexual, I guess could give communion. But to violate the body God gave you. It’s not the one you want. Is agregious. This will turn out o be a mental condition that can be treated w hormones for your natural body, anti-depressants to stabilize the attitude & counseling to line the mind up w the body.
See YouTube videos on transgender reversals.
When is it wrong to say,”NO!” It’s gone on too far.
If it was the right thing to do, we wouldn’t have continued suicides. Reversals wouldn’t be wanted.
Who will be involved w them? Good old Bruce is in his 60’s dating a young 20 something, who thinks she’s transgender. His hands and feet are not delicate. His money & surgeries have him looking better than some. Another guy to girl scenariogot married to a woman!! Really! He/she has a football neck.
Their feelings are true & disturbing for them. We are playing God w these surgeries. Lives are changed for sexual ideations. There’s a time, we lovingly, w compassion, say,”NO!”
Guide the treatment to match the DNA.
JESUS! He looks at our souls & not our bodies. Sweet Lord, we all have pain of some kind. Wishes not able to achieve. Help us get back to have higher goals of a relationship w You. Help usvto love w courage. In Jesus name.Amen
See YouTube videos on transgender reversals.
When is it wrong to say,”NO!” It’s gone on too far.
If it was the right thing to do, we wouldn’t have continued suicides. Reversals wouldn’t be wanted.
Who will be involved w them? Good old Bruce is in his 60’s dating a young 20 something, who thinks she’s transgender. His hands and feet are not delicate. His money & surgeries have him looking better than some. Another guy to girl scenariogot married to a woman!! Really! He/she has a football neck.
Their feelings are true & disturbing for them. We are playing God w these surgeries. Lives are changed for sexual ideations. There’s a time, we lovingly, w compassion, say,”NO!”
Guide the treatment to match the DNA.
JESUS! He looks at our souls & not our bodies. Sweet Lord, we all have pain of some kind. Wishes not able to achieve. Help us get back to have higher goals of a relationship w You. Help usvto love w courage. In Jesus name.Amen
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Thorolfr
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So, if someone has Tourette Syndrome, does that go against the natural sensibilities of some Christians?No, you’re certainly not wrong to feel this way. I’m not sure what the Church’s official stance on the matter is, or if She even has an official stance, but it is seriously wrong to have as a communion server someone whose behavior or appearance goes against the natural (and therefore entirely justified) sensibilities of other Christians.
Medical reasons are not a valid excuse. If someone has Gilles-de-la-Tourette syndrome we don’t make him a communion server either. Not everybody is suitable for every task, or entitled to it.
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ConfusedLucy
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Depends what’s meant by transgender, it used to just refer to gender dysphoria now it includes all sorts. I wore my husband’s jumper yesterday which would make me transgender according to some folk.
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Cjbhoward
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What do we know about this person’s lifestyle?Yes, but what if there are others who are being deceived as to the Church’s teachings on human sexuality as a result of the seeming endorsement of this person’s public lifestyle by this parish?
Really. Maybe this person is celibate.
What would you do if you found out one of the Eucharistic ministers was an adulterer? A fornicate? A thief? Uses contraception?
Don’t get me wrong. I understand where the OP is coming from but we don’t know anything about this person.
First step needs to be to talk to the priest & try to understand what went into his decision. If everything is as the OP believes it to be, then a decide what to do.
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Carmelite1983
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True
It is possible for a man to dress as a woman and still be celibate.
Would it be a sin for a guy to simply wear a dress and wig and still be celibate?
Strange, maybe, but sinful?
I’m honestly asking because I really don’t know… Can someone tell me?
It is possible for a man to dress as a woman and still be celibate.
Would it be a sin for a guy to simply wear a dress and wig and still be celibate?
Strange, maybe, but sinful?
I’m honestly asking because I really don’t know… Can someone tell me?
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Maximilian75
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@Cjbhoward
“Really. Maybe this person is celibate.”
I’ve never mentioned celibacy. It’s a nonissue here and I’d appreciate not having words put in my mouth.
“What would you do if you found out one of the Eucharistic ministers was an adulterer? A fornicate? A thief? Uses contraception?”
Different things. While those are sins, they don’t have the same public manifestations, and therefore the ability to to cause scandal, as a highly visible sex change.
“Really. Maybe this person is celibate.”
I’ve never mentioned celibacy. It’s a nonissue here and I’d appreciate not having words put in my mouth.
“What would you do if you found out one of the Eucharistic ministers was an adulterer? A fornicate? A thief? Uses contraception?”
Different things. While those are sins, they don’t have the same public manifestations, and therefore the ability to to cause scandal, as a highly visible sex change.
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