Is it America's job to "run the world"?

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Catholics in the UK have consistently voted for the Labour Party more than any other party. I don’t think we’re less faithful Catholics here than the Catholics in the USA. I hear what Pope Francis says about the big issues and I agree with what he says 100%. I vote accordingly, that’s good enough for me.
 
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Catholics in the UK have consistently voted for the Labour Party more than any other party. I don’t think we’re less faithful Catholics here than the Catholics in the USA. I hear what Pope Francis says about the big issues and I agree with what he says 100%. I vote accordingly, that’s good enough for me.
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Pretty explicit: "“No Catholic could subscribe even to moderate socialism” - Pope Pius XI
 
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I’ve already read that article, thanks. I’ve also read what Pope Francis said when he was in Bolivia. I see no dissonance between his remarks and my beliefs.
 
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My understanding of it is irrelevant. If you don’t like the Church’s condemnation of even “moderate Socialism” then you need to take it up with the Church.
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I’m not sure this condemnation exists.
 
Read the article: It contains condemnation after condemnation by Pope after Pope.
 
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Read the article: It contains condemnation after condemnation by Pope after Pope.
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From what I read, those are always directed at unfettered presentations of socialism.

These differ from the more moderate applications of the economic doctrine that are present in virtually every country on this planet - except maybe Somalia. It’s pretty “free market” over there - 😬
 
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Skipping over where the Pope said even “moderate” Socialism was incompatible with Catholicism…
 
deMontfort said:
Skipping over where the Pope said even “moderate” Socialism was incompatible with Catholicism…
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Oh Lordy…

How many times has Francis said something that had the traditionalists all in a tizzy?

“The pope said…” seems to lack unambiguous authority on all sides.
 
Things a Pope says in an encyclical >>>>> off-the-cuff quips by Pope Francis
 
I don’t blame the change in subject.

The answer is either “none” or “I don’t know”.
 
Posts by fake Catholics who think the Church is a man-made social club are not to be taken seriously. Toodles.
 
I’ve been somewhat offended by your posts today. You’re entitled to your views, but as I said, in my country more than half of the Catholics who vote choose the Labour Party. The Conservative Party is far more favoured by CofE voters, as it happens.

I’m a Catholic who tries my best, I’m a convert who entered the church in my mid-50s and I take my faith seriously. I’m not an in-name-only Catholic. I could have stayed outside the Church if I’d wanted an easy life, I’m not a cradle Catholic, I knew no Catholics at all growing up and I’ve encountered a lot of opposition to the Catholic faith over the years.

Good luck to you, friend, I’m sure you’re sincere in your views.
 
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Considering the church has explicitly condemned Socialism, those “Catholics” are living in opposition to the church.
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There is a third option. The word “socialism” has more than one meaning, or the meaning has changed with time. Just think of all the liberals who were accused of socialism in the last couple of decades. I cannot think of a single one that meets the Church’s definition, that is, that denies the right to own private property, and is exclusively concerned with material well-being. From Pope John XXIII:
The reason is that Socialism is founded on a doctrine of human society which is bounded by time and takes no account of any objective other than that of material well-being. Since, therefore, it proposes a form of social organization which aims solely at production, it places too severe a restraint on human liberty, at the same time flouting the true notion of social authority.
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The mere fact that one is Catholic means that there is a concern for something other than spiritual well-being.
 
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Is that like “Scotsman” in name only, or do you have inside scoop on the final judgment?

I noticed that those who say Catholics can’t be (insert label), is that it is always someone else, not themselves, that are excluded from the Church by their opinions.
 
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No, it’s people who claim to Catholic but don’t believe what the Church teaches.
 
deMontfort said:
No, it’s people who claim to Catholic but don’t believe what the Church teaches.
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Have you considered that they may not agree with you on what the Church teaches? In America, there are people on both sides that say the same about abortion, immigration, racism, homosexuality or healthcare.
 
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