Is it easier for women to have a deep relationship with Christ because they're female

[GemmaRose]

Think about it. If God is three beings in one (e.g., the Trinity) – the FATHER, the Son, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit – and consisted of these three beings for all eternity, from beginning to end, forever, then yes…God in large measure is a man. I’ve read the Catechism daily for the last 13 years. Nowhere have I found the basic, traditional concept of the Trinity modified in any way.

I have thought about it.

I have read the Catechism.

If you have read the Catechism “daily for the last 13 years,” how is it then that you’ve missed articles 370, 456, 464 and 466 ?

God is not a man.

 

[GemmaRose]

This is very true. It goes back to how men have the greater cross to bear in life, more is expected of them, and their potential reward for remaining faithful is that much greater than what is possible for women.

You are, of course, entitled to your opinion, but I certainly am curious – Where on earth did you get these ridiculous claims??

Men have a greater cross to bear in life??

More is expected of men???

Men’s potential reward is greater than women’s??? :bigyikes:

What a bunch of chauvanistic drivel !!!

 

[GemmaRose]

Originally Posted by Augustine
I also believe that the number of nuns being 2 to 5 times greater than that of priests and religious men, depending on the country, indicates that it’s indeed easier for women to relate to Jesus by committing their lives to Him.

If anything, what this proves is that women are more sensitive to the call of Christ than men, thus proving their greater ability to have a deeper relationship with the Lord.

Women have it easier… poppycock! :nope: :whacky:

 

[GemmaRose]

False, God is true God and true Man. Affirmed in the Nicene Creed. . . .

No, God is not a man. This is what the Catechism teaches - see my prior posts. (Jesus is true God and true Man.)

As to the Nicene Creed:

We believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is, seen and unseen.

We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
one in Being with the Father.
Through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven:

  by the power of the Holy Spirit
  he was born of the Virgin Mary,
  and became man.

For our sake he was crucified
under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered, died, and was buried.
On the third day he rose again
in fulfillment of the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.

He will come again in glory
to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.

We believe in the Holy Spirit,
the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son.
With the Father and the Son
he is worshiped and glorified.
He has spoken through the Prophets.

We believe in one holy catholic
and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism
for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come. Amen.

Where exactly in this Creed do you find the words “true God and true Man” or that God is a man?

Wait! Maybe it’s in the Apostles Creed -

I believe in God, the Father Almighty, Creator of Heaven and earth;
and in Jesus Christ, His only Son Our Lord,
Who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died, and was buried.
He descended into Hell; the third day He rose again from the dead;
He ascended into Heaven, and sitteth at the right hand of God, the Father almighty; from thence He shall come to judge the living and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy Catholic Church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body and life everlasting.
Amen.

Nope! Not in there either.

Hmmm , maybe we’re reading different Catechisms… or reciting different Creeds…

 

[iaskquestions]

This is very true. It goes back to how men have the greater cross to bear in life, more is expected of them, and their potential reward for remaining faithful is that much greater than what is possible for women.

When has the church ever taught such a thing? It’s a false notion NTOT.

 

[iaskquestions]

and their potential reward for remaining faithful is that much greater than what is possible for women.

Which man has got a greater reward than Mary? Not Moses, not Elijah. No one. So your idea is faulty.

 

[NTOT]

No, God is not a man. This is what the Catechism teaches - see my prior posts. (Jesus is true God and true Man.)

Do you deny that Jesus is God?

As to the Nicene Creed:

by the power of the Holy Spirit
he was born of the Virgin Mary,
and became man.

There it is! God became man and since He didn’t cease being man, therefore IS man. How 'bout them apples?

Hmmm , maybe we’re reading different Catechisms… or reciting different Creeds…

Maybe.

 

[NTOT]

You are, of course, entitled to your opinion, but I certainly am curious – Where on earth did you get these ridiculous claims??

Men have a greater cross to bear in life??

More is expected of men???

Men’s potential reward is greater than women’s??? :bigyikes:

Sad but true. There are probably many more women in Heaven than Men. Women don’t deal with the ravages of lust as men do, at least I know I don’t. Women don’t become angered so easily to the point of murder. Look at crime statistics, who makes most of the headlines, men or women?

What a bunch of chauvanistic drivel !!!

What does chauvanism have to do with anything. Can you posit an argument based on solid reasoning rather than false labels?

 

[NTOT]

Which man has got a greater reward than Mary? Not Moses, not Elijah. No one. So your idea is faulty.

None has a higher position than our Lady, the most sinless of created creatures. Which person can you use as an example who sinned ‘less’ than Mary? When you find one, you can than argue that my idea is faulty.

 

[GemmaRose]

Do you deny that Jesus is God?

There it is! God became man and since He didn’t cease being man, therefore IS man. How 'bout them apples?

Maybe.

No, I do not deny that Jesus is God, nor that He is true God and true man.

However, how do you explain Article 370 of the Catechism of the Catholic Church?

370 In no way is God in man’s image. He is neither man nor woman. God is pure spirit in which there is no place for the difference between the sexes. But the respective “perfections” of man and woman reflect something of the infinite perfection of God: those of a mother and those of a father and husband.

I suppose the Catechism is wrong because you disagree with what is says?

 

[GemmaRose]

Read your own post:

This is very true. It goes back to how men have the greater cross to bear in life, more is expected of them, and their potential reward for remaining faithful is that much greater than what is possible for women.

You state that:

1. 
   *]Men have a greater cross to bear in life;
   
   *]That more is expected of men; and
   
   *]A man’s potential reward for remaining faithful is greater than what is possible for women.
   
   If you can’t hear the chauvanism dripping out of your assertions, then there’s nothing more to say.
   
   However, since these are your assertions, you have the burden of proof.

 

[NTOT]

No, I do not deny that Jesus is God, nor that He is true God and true man.

However, how do you explain Article 370 of the Catechism of the Catholic Church?

370 In no way is God in man’s image. He is neither man nor woman. God is pure spirit

I think I explained that already in #60 where I said:

God is neither masculine nor feminine. Man is made in the image of God. Man is not God. Human traits do not describe God. If a human being can think it, it can’t be God. God is above human thought and reason and is absolute perfection. Masculine and Feminine are traits which limit man and are imperfect images of the perfection of God. God is not half man and half woman which make a complete God. Union between a man and woman is an imperfect image of the mystery of the Blessed Trinity. An eternal and perfect union of Persons.

The Catechism entry is refuting that man is not God, nor is God made in man’s image, nor can human attributes be applied to God, since He is beyond all human attributes. It further goes on to describe the Divine nature of God which is Pure Spirit.

I suppose the Catechism is wrong because you disagree with what is says?

No, the Catechism is right. Wrong supposition to make.

 

[NTOT]

You state that:

1. 
   *]Men have a greater cross to bear in life;
   *]That more is expected of men; and
   *]A man’s potential reward for remaining faithful is greater than what is possible for women.
   If you can’t hear the chauvanism dripping out of your assertions, then there’s nothing more to say.

1. 
   And referring you back to #68
   

   Women don’t deal with the ravages of lust as men do, at least I know I don’t. Women don’t become angered so easily to the point of murder. Look at crime statistics, who makes most of the headlines, men or women?

   However, since these are your assertions, you have the burden of proof.

   I have given support for my assertions. You have only stated that I am wrong with no basis to back it up.
   
   Further, why must you take all of this as personal attacks? Is there a ring of truth to what I am saying?

 

[NTOT]

The Catechism entry is refuting that man is not God

Sorry. I meant to say affirming, not refuting.

 

[beckycmarie]

This is very true. It goes back to how men have the greater cross to bear in life, more is expected of them, and their potential reward for remaining faithful is that much greater than what is possible for women.

Please show me where in any Catholic teaching it says men have the greater cross to bear and their reward “is that much greater than what is possible for women.”

 

[littleone]

I was quoting the Catholic apologist Peter Kreeft. Read beckycmarie’s post (#39)

Hey it does not matter, Godbless.
You know God is only one or all of these forms when we think, speak, enter into, when we relate around our own humanness and human thinking.

In all holistic truth God is “I AM” because there is NO word in the human vocabulary that would come any where near describing God. The only word that comes anywhere near God in any active form is the word LOVE, which is a word that could in the truest form never be deduced for any description of God other than in the actions of God’s love, since only God’s love is pure.

So how do we want to relate here, in the flesh, or, in the spirit about God in the spirit or, in the flesh.

Godbless

 

[iaskquestions]

None has a higher position than our Lady, the most sinless of created creatures. Which person can you use as an example who sinned ‘less’ than Mary? When you find one, you can than argue that my idea is faulty.

Could you please explain this statement of yours?

You said that men have a potentially greater reward than women. So I showed you the example of Mary and said that no man ever got such a reward. And therefore, your idea that men have a potentially greater reward than women is faulty (and I’m saying this as a man myself).

 

[NTOT]

Please show me where in any Catholic teaching it says men have the greater cross to bear and their reward “is that much greater than what is possible for women.”

Do you believe that all people have an equal crosses to bear in life? This is not something that is supported by the Church or Scripture. In fact the opposite is true.

 

[NTOT]

Could you please explain this statement of yours?

You said that men have a potentially greater reward than women. So I showed you the example of Mary and said that no man ever got such a reward. And therefore, your idea that men have a potentially greater reward than women is faulty (and I’m saying this as a man myself).

Which man do say deserves a greater reward than the woman who remained absolutely and totally sinless and totally devoted to God?
My statement can be paraphrased as: the greater the cross one is blessed to endure in the life, the greater the reward one will receive IF one remains faithful in bearing that cross.
Many are given crosses to bear, not all see it as a blessing. Not all are given the same or equal crosses to bear. To whom much has been given, much will be expected.

 

[NTOT]

It can also be said that to whom has received the benefit of more graces, the more responsibility they bear.
Note how Catholics are much more accountable to God than those who have not been blessed with the fullness of truth. Catholics will have a lot more to answer for, since much more is expected of them. But they also have the potential for greater reward if they remain faithful in spite of their additional burdens. God does not bless all equally in this life.
Actually the example of the Blessed Virgin is a positive proof of this. She was priveleged to have the special blessing of being preserved from original sin. Would you say that God is unfair because of that? I think that would be a mistake. That fact that God granted Mary this special grace not only benefit her, but all mankind as well in that we now have the Queen of Heaven as our powerful ally!