Is it good to hate this life?

[Sailor_Kenshin]

Theres nothing in this world for a Christian. Everyday were surrounded by people who blaspheme Jesus Christ and who want nothing to do with him. They could care less about our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and what he did on the cross. They whipped him raw. He said the the plowers plowed upon my back: they made long their furrows (Psalm 129) and I hid not my face from shame and spitting (Isaiah 50:6). Thats what he went through for us. You would think that people would be interested in this, but they’re not. They would rather serve the serpent than our Lord and Savior. So yes. Hate the world and devote your life to Christ and hope that when you die that God will take you into the promised land of Heaven.

There are people here who need our help ON THE PHYSICAL PLANE and on the spiritual plane. As long as I’m here I will do what small things I can to fulfill this mission.

We are at war. To abandon the battlefield is an act of cowardice.

To those of you who ‘hate’ this world, I sure hope you’re not sitting home on your hands waiting for the Second Coming. We need you on the front lines.

 

[juliamajor]

There are people here who need our help ON THE PHYSICAL PLANE and on the spiritual plane. As long as I’m here I will do what small things I can to fulfill this mission.

We are at war. To abandon the battlefield is an act of cowardice.

To those of you who ‘hate’ this world, I sure hope you’re not sitting home on your hands waiting for the Second Coming. We need you on the front lines.

Bravo- well said!Jesus might have said"my kingdom is not of this world" but he also said “I have overcome the world”. We are not to run and hide say our prayers go to Mass- Jesus requires so much more of us. He wants us out of the shadows- into the sun .God IS STILL part of this earthly plane or do some of you believe He has no power on earth- He just turned it over to evil. If not- you certainly make it sound that God is powerless on earth.
He calls us out of our comfort zone-to help and aid and save.-yes, even the ones who do evil.We can’t help them to Christ without work,without soldiers of the Lord.
Do you remember the Good Samaritan? That is a person called way out of his comfort zone.Helps a poor slob left in a ditch while two"holy men" walk by.O they probably believed they were doing the right thing.If they stopped to help it might prevent from reaching the Temple in time for worship. Or worse the blood on the victim would have made them ritually unclean-they would have to take a ritual bath and make a sin offering and not be in contact with people until he was clean again. He wanted to preserve his purity by not aiding,or dealing with folks that needed him.
The Samaritan hated by Jews and looked to as a “dog” should have much resentment toward Jews- which the victim was almost certainly was.He separated himself from his hatred and anxiety and did what he knew was right- even if it caused him to lose time and to help a person who probably hated his guts.an act of perfect Charity. The Samaritan supressed his dislike for those who hated him in order to help and aid.So it is with the world.I really don’t care what any saint wrote or any pious literature state because it is not infallible- Scripture is.Jesus engaged the world as did the apostles and all who evangelized- if they sat at home worrying about their own souls and separating themselves from humanity- Christianity could have withered on the vine.If we take a position of only looking after our own souls then we are denying Christ’s Great Commission which we heard in the Sunday readings.We accomplish nothing and save no one by sitting back and contemplating the afterlife. When Jesus separates the sheep from the goats I want to be on the sheep side. And how do we get on the sheep side? by doing not saying- by being in the world but not of it.
I await the next platitudes.

 

[MarysGirls]

There are people here who need our help ON THE PHYSICAL PLANE and on the spiritual plane. As long as I’m here I will do what small things I can to fulfill this mission.

We are at war. To abandon the battlefield is an act of cowardice.

To those of you who ‘hate’ this world, I sure hope you’re not sitting home on your hands waiting for the Second Coming. We need you on the front lines.

Makes me think of Fr. Corapi. I can hear his voice so well in my head saying, “Surrender is not an option! Don’t you dare give up! Don’t you dare lie down.” :knight2::nunchuk:

 

[Robert_Sock]

Makes me think of Fr. Corapi. I can hear his voice so well in my head saying, “Surrender is not an option! Don’t you dare give up! Don’t you dare lie down.” :knight2::nunchuk:

Lets remember the topic of this thread:

John 12:25
The man who loves his life will lose it . . .

 

[juliamajor]

Lets remember the topic of this thread:

John 12:25
The man who loves his life will lose it . . .

Thread title"is it good to hate this life?" I think Marysgirls has stayed on topic
“HATE” in Christ’s quote means TO LOVE LESS and “LOVE” means a priority.So the quote is not only boringly redundant and beaten into the ground but it is misused.John 12:25 is not an excuse to withdraw from the world or to be afraid of the world and run from it’s evil -but to challenge and overcome the world.

 

[Joab_Anias]

I agree. From what I’ve heard in homilies it appears that hating the world means putting it second to God and second to loving God. The world is not God, but people in it are his very precious children and we are called to love them as we love our very selves. Hating the world and its vanities is not the same thing as hating the goodness in the world, like our suffering brothers and sisters in Christ who dwell in it.

This post reminds me that in the text of Vatican II we are encouraged to hold to what is good in the world. The world contains good yet evil prowls about in it as well like Robert says in a previous post. Just as I am reminded of a passage of scripture that also tells us to hold fast to what is good and how St. Paul reminds us our battle is spiritual and often of the flesh.

As well as a recent statement from a Bishop that said; (to paraphrase) the reason the sacrament of confession isn’t taken full advantage of is because faithful fail to recognize the difference between good and evil, vice and virtue. That influence from the world which confuses the evil for good, is what I disdain. In context of the OP I am reaffirmed that what the verse means to hate ones life, is to hate ones own proclivity to sin. We all have it and its a struggle, nevertheless, to overcome ourselves (in measure we are given) is our goal the ideal from the Lord.

 

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This post reminds me that in the text of Vatican II we are encouraged to hold to what is good in the world. The world contains good yet evil prowls about in it as well like Robert says in a previous post. Just as I am reminded of a passage of scripture that also tells us to hold fast to what is good and how St. Paul reminds us our battle is spiritual and often of the flesh.

As well as a recent statement from a Bishop that said; (to paraphrase) the reason the sacrament of confession isn’t taken full advantage of is because faithful fail to recognize the difference between good and evil, vice and virtue. That influence from the world which confuses the evil for good, is what I disdain. In context of the OP I am reaffirmed that what the verse means to hate ones life, is to hate ones own proclivity to sin. We all have it and its a struggle, nevertheless, to overcome ourselves (in measure we are given) is our goal the ideal from the Lord.

Yes, I too hate concupiscence.

 

[thevickinator16]

Sailor, what is it exactly that you disagree with? I think it is clear that we are to make God first in our lives. IF all people followed this there would not be the problems of abortion, terrorism and such. We are stewards of life and we are not changing that at all. We are merely stating that God and God alone should and is foremost in our thoughts and actions. We can change only what God allows us to change. This is satan’s world and this has been shown through Sacred Scripture and through this world’s history. We help those we can. We can only do so much , but we are charged by God to give it all that we have to change things that are wrong.

I hate this world because man (including myself) has defiled God’s creation. I look towards a world that is without the tears, pain, fear and whatever else is bad. That is not this life, that is the next. If we did noit long for eternal life, where would we be?

Just some thoughts!

God Bless!

 

[SacredHeart1987]

Sailor, what is it exactly that you disagree with? I think it is clear that we are to make God first in our lives. IF all people followed this there would not be the problems of abortion, terrorism and such. We are stewards of life and we are not changing that at all. We are merely stating that God and God alone should and is foremost in our thoughts and actions. We can change only what God allows us to change. This is satan’s world and this has been shown through Sacred Scripture and through this world’s history. We help those we can. We can only do so much , but we are charged by God to give it all that we have to change things that are wrong.

I hate this world because man (including myself) has defiled God’s creation. I look towards a world that is without the tears, pain, fear and whatever else is bad. That is not this life, that is the next. If we did noit long for eternal life, where would we be?

Just some thoughts!

God Bless!

Amen! Couldn’t have said it better.

 

[Sailor_Kenshin]

Makes me think of Fr. Corapi. I can hear his voice so well in my head saying, “Surrender is not an option! Don’t you dare give up! Don’t you dare lie down.” :knight2::nunchuk:

Yes! One of my favorites! And—there is no coincidence here—on this morning’s EWTN homily, the scholary Fadda Pacwa said the same thing in different terms.

We are to be the salt and light of the earth. We can NOT abandon our culture, our posts, our mission.

If Catholics behaved like Catholics and did not hide under a bushel this would not be such a hellish world.

I highly recommend listenint to today’s homily when they put it up on the site. It makes more sense to listen to this scholarly priest than any disgruntled misinterpretation of Biblical verses.

 

[Robert_Sock]

Yes! One of my favorites! And—there is no coincidence here—on this morning’s EWTN homily, the scholary Fadda Pacwa said the same thing in different terms.

We are to be the salt and light of the earth. We can NOT abandon our culture, our posts, our mission.

If Catholics behaved like Catholics and did not hide under a bushel this would not be such a hellish world.

I highly recommend listenint to today’s homily when they put it up on the site. It makes more sense to listen to this scholarly priest than any disgruntled misinterpretation of Biblical verses.

Lets remember the topic of this thread:

John 12:25
The man who loves his life will lose it . . .

 

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I agree with the woman on this thread that pointed out that “to hate” simply means “to love less than.” God hated Essau not with the hatred of the demons, but just by “loving him less” than he did Essau’s brother, Jacob.

 

[Sailor_Kenshin]

Lets remember the topic of this thread:

John 12:25
The man who loves his life will lose it . . .

And let’s also remember that we are not to hide under a bushel. We are to be light and salt to the world.

Not MY interpretation, but many priests, including Father Pacwa. I suggest you listen to today’s homily - it’s wonderful.

 

[Robert_Sock]

I agree with the woman on this thread that pointed out that “to hate” simply means “to love less than.” God hated Essau not with the hatred of the demons, but just by “loving him less” than he did Essau’s brother, Jacob.

What about the other half of John 12:25?
*
John 12:25
The man who loves his life will lose it . . .*

 

[withwind]

God gives me this life on Earth and I love it.

Loving this life because I know it is how God brings me to existence and that He will give me the eternal life. Hating this life in a sense that one should not attach to its earthly life and reject the eternal life that God promises to us.

Hating this life because of being fed up and depression, it is very unhealthy attitude.

 

[Robert_Sock]

And let’s also remember that we are not to hide under a bushel. We are to be light and salt to the world.

Not MY interpretation, but many priests, including Father Pacwa. I suggest you listen to today’s homily - it’s wonderful.

I listened to Father Mitch Pacwa’s homily and I fail to find any connection.

 

[MarysGirls]

What about the other half of John 12:25?
*
John 12:25
The man who loves his life will lose it . . .*

The man who places his life on earth above his life in eternity will certainly lose it. You cannot take every verse in the Bible literally, though I’m sure you know that already. If I were to take this verse literally, it would mean that all the life-hating, depressed, let-the-whole-world-drop-dead people would gain a life, and everyone who enjoys life and loves it would die. Do you really think that sounds like something that a loving God would say?
If I were to hate both the sin and the place where the sin resides I would have to hate people and I know you don’t do that. Please try to understand.

 

[MarysGirls]

Lets remember the topic of this thread:

John 12:25
The man who loves his life will lose it . . .

I’m sorry you don’t see the connection. I’ll try not to get distracted.

 

[Robert_Sock]

The man who places his life on earth above his life in eternity will certainly lose it. You cannot take every verse in the Bible literally, though I’m sure you know that already. If I were to take this verse literally, it would mean that all the life-hating, depressed, let-the-whole-world-drop-dead people would gain a life, and everyone who enjoys life and loves it would die. Do you really think that sounds like something that a loving God would say?
If I were to hate both the sin and the place where the sin resides I would have to hate people and I know you don’t do that. Please try to understand.

I feel this thread is going in circles.

To hate this life does not mean we should hate others. On the contrary, to love God means we would love others. If we hate this world is to love God all the more, and do as He commands of us.

There is not a doubt in my mind that this world ought to be hated my me; however, I realizes that there are many “mansions” and that different people may be drawn to different paths in life.

I feel like reposting my old quotes again, but people would probably get upset at me again.

Take care,
Bob

 

[Sailor_Kenshin]

I listened to Father Mitch Pacwa’s homily and I fail to find any connection.

How sad.

Withwind:

God gives me this life on Earth and I love it.

Loving this life because I know it is how God brings me to existence and that He will give me the eternal life. Hating this life in a sense that one should not attach to its earthly life and reject the eternal life that God promises to us.

Hating this life because of being fed up and depression, it is very unhealthy attitude.

How right you are.

What I do not understand in this thread at all is the ‘withdrawal’ syndrome. “I hate life, just waiting to die here!”

Even reclusive orders spend their time in earthy battle through prayer and penance. Why the resistence to assisting this world? Why spit in the face of both God’s gift AND his directives to ‘do unto the least of these’ as you would do unto Him?