Is it heretical to pray that Jews continue to follow the Old Covenant?

[chosen_people]

You are not in the position to the change the fact that they have significant control over the world. But you can pray for them, to rule it according to the pronciles of the humanity and their own religion.

Well we do make up almost two tenths of one per cent of the world’s population.

Anyway I’d love to stay and chat but running all the banks and all the money and all the media does tend to cut into ones free time

 

[chosen_people]

Even though I have no desire for them to be in control I do pray for them but they have shown an abuse of control from the time of the Russian revolution till now.

Now who else but the Jews could be responsible for all the evils of capitalism and all the evils of communism at the same time? You know where we really abused our power after the Russian revolution (besides our lame attempts trying to convince people that Lenin and Stalin weren’t Jewish ) ? - during the Shoah.

 

[Shin]

Well we do make up almost two tenths of one per cent of the world’s population.

Anyway I’d love to stay and chat but running all the banks and all the money and all the media does tend to cut into ones free time

CP, I wonder do you have any statistical sources of what percentage of the Jewish population are in what professions? I.E. what professions are preferred?

I.E. what percentage of Jewish people are farmers… what percentage are involved in finance… what percentage are day laborers and blue collar, and what percentage are involved in media and entertainment… and this say, we could then contrast to the percentages of other groups… and dispel any myths…

I am sure you could locate some fact based sources that you would find pleasing.

 

[Ultima_Ratio]

CP, I wonder do you have any statistical sources of what percentage of the Jewish population are in what professions? I.E. what professions are preferred?

I.E. what percentage of Jewish people are farmers… what percentage are involved in finance… what percentage are day laborers and blue collar, and what percentage are involved in media and entertainment… and this say, we could then contrast to the percentages of other groups… and dispel any myths…

I am sure you could locate some fact based sources that you would find pleasing.

I have a similar question that I hope Chosen People can answer. My question is regarding the Federal Reserve - the private corporation that creates trillions of dollars out of thin air (by key strokes on a computer) - and then lends it to the U.S. government at interest. I wonder if Chosen People can find out what percent of the Federal Reserve is owned by Jewish banking familes.

 

[chosen_people]

CP, I wonder do you have any statistical sources of what percentage of the Jewish population are in what professions? I.E. what professions are preferred?

I.E. what percentage of Jewish people are farmers… what percentage are involved in finance… what percentage are day laborers and blue collar, and what percentage are involved in media and entertainment… and this say, we could then contrast to the percentages of other groups… and dispel any myths…

I am sure you could locate some fact based sources that you would find pleasing.

If I was to answer your question based on the fact that 90% of American Jews are university educated, I would soon discover that there are a dearth of Jewish assembly line workers. However, since there is a correlation between higher education and certain jobs, my results wouldn’t be particularly Jewish, except for the Jewish emphasis itself on education. Into this equation I could add the Jewish penchant for free professions which overcame anti-Jewish job discrimination and the fact that an unsuccessful and poorly educated Jewish male would find difficulty attracting a highly educated Jewish female. The result is that such males were more likely to leave the Jewish community, thus reinforcing stereotypes.

However, the real question is when we examine two professions, in which for almost 2000 years few Jews played an active part. Jews were traditionally neither farmers or soldiers. The question we should be asking, is how it comes about that leading developments and technologies in these two very non Jewish fields, are to be found in the Jewish State of Israel? Israeli Jews did not only suddenly become dairy farmers, their cows yield more milk per cow then anywhere in the world. They did not just become combat aircraft pilots they became arguably the best combat pilots, man for man, in the world.

It’s possible that the answer is tied to this thread. The non dogmatic, questioning, intellectual basis of Judaism, the natural development, adaptation and application of Torah to ever changing circumstances, may have imbued the Jews to flexibility and change in new and unfamiliar situations.

 

[chosen_people]

I have a similar question that I hope Chosen People can answer. My question is regarding the Federal Reserve - the private corporation that creates trillions of dollars out of thin air (by key strokes on a computer) - and then lends it to the U.S. government at interest. I wonder if Chosen People can find out what percent of the Federal Reserve is owned by Jewish banking familes.

Okay I enjoy a classic anti-Semitic myth as well as the next guy:shrug:

This will answer your question:
adl.org/special_reports/control_of_fed/print.asp

 

[Shin]

based on the fact that 90% of American Jews are university educated

Well now, that’s an aberration in and of itself, which I’d like to discuss more perhaps as time goes by, (what percentage of blacks are University educated compared to Jews? we could compare that…then Catholics… then Christians…) but we can correct for it…

(Of course religion and ethnicity are two different things too…)

We can simply take the percentage of all university graduates as a general group, and then in specific groups, and how many of them enter into particular fields of finance, media, entertainment, etc…

Now Israel is one country which will throw things off, because we are interested in dispelling myths about Jews in other countries and their influence generally…

Unless maybe we look at the history of how Israel was created… Not too many people get a country carved out and handed to them out of nothing…

But that aside, Israel might be interesting this way, we could ask, how many Jewish people are farmers there in the sense they actually work on the farms, and how many simply own the farms and pay others to work the farms who are not Jewish in Israel… how many farmers in Israel are devout religious Jews, and how many are simply ethnically Jewish, and what difference is there in this statistic… though that might be a hard one to find out, it would be interesting…

Now see, if Jews actually are disproportionately represented in certain fields… considering their percentage of the population which you say is very low… Then certainly it should be open to discussion as to whether in fact, this representation has some detriments as well as some benefits, especially for those who are not Jewish… No? Perhaps for Jews too no?

I mean, let’s face it… different cultures think of things differently… It doesn’t mean ‘nothing’ to be Jewish, it doesn’t mean ‘nothing’ to be Catholic, it doesn’t mean ‘nothing’ to be black, it doesn’t mean nothing to be ‘Italian’… And some things Italian, might not be quite for the Irish person… And certainly two different religions have different moralities and these moralities might in fact conflict… so one religious group having more influence in certain areas might affect negatively the religious group that doesn’t, no?

Is it prejudiced to say that? I don’t think so. Also too, there are plenty of bad Catholics, and plenty of bad Italians, and plenty of bad Jews… sometimes negative influences in cultures and religions have effects outside of those religions and ethnic groups… not prejudiced to say so…

 

[Ultima_Ratio]

Okay I enjoy a classic anti-Semitic myth as well as the next guy:shrug:

This will answer your question:
adl.org/special_reports/control_of_fed/print.asp

Maybe I missed it, but I didn’t see where the link provide the answer to my question. The article you provided (from the ADL, no less) said *“The charge that “Jews control the Federal Reserve” is a classic example of the hatemonger’s paranoid-style exploitation of legitimate concerns — in this case, the nation’s economy”, *but the article did not list the percentage of ownership of the private Federal Resever by Jewish Banking familes.

I’m not sure how it is “hatemonger’s paranoid-style exploitation” to claim that the private corporation known as the Federal Reserve is Jewish controled - especially when it is a fact. But I guess the ADL would rather accuse a person of being guitly of “hatemonger’s paranoid-style exploitation” rather than admit the truth. Why is the ADL so defensive? If the Jews control the Federal Reserve, why is the ADL so worried about people finding out? What are they trying to hide?

 

[Shin]

BTW CP did you hear about that Latino TV anchor who was fired recently?

 

[chosen_people]

Well now, that’s an aberration in and of itself, which I’d like to discuss more perhaps as time goes by, (what percentage of blacks are University educated compared to Jews? we could compare that…then Catholics… then Christians…) but we can correct for it…

(Of course religion and ethnicity are two different things too…)

We can simply take the percentage of all university graduates as a general group, and then in specific groups, and how many of them enter into particular fields of finance, media, entertainment, etc…

Now Israel is one country which will throw things off, because we are interested in dispelling myths about Jews in other countries and their influence generally…

Unless maybe we look at the history of how Israel was created… Not too many people get a country carved out and handed to them out of nothing…

But that aside, Israel might be interesting this way, we could ask, how many Jewish people are farmers there in the sense they actually work on the farms, and how many simply own the farms and pay others to work the farms who are not Jewish in Israel… how many farmers in Israel are devout religious Jews, and how many are simply ethnically Jewish, and what difference is there in this statistic… though that might be a hard one to find out, it would be interesting…

Now see, if Jews actually are disproportionately represented in certain fields… considering their percentage of the population which you say is very low… Then certainly it should be open to discussion as to whether in fact, this representation has some detriments as well as some benefits, especially for those who are not Jewish… No? Perhaps for Jews too no?

I mean, let’s face it… different cultures think of things differently… It doesn’t mean ‘nothing’ to be Jewish, it doesn’t mean ‘nothing’ to be Catholic, it doesn’t mean ‘nothing’ to be black, it doesn’t mean nothing to be ‘Italian’… And some things Italian, might not be quite for the Irish person… And certainly two different religions have different moralities and these moralities might in fact conflict… so one religious group having more influence in certain areas might affect negatively the religious group that doesn’t, no?

Is it prejudiced to say that? I don’t think so. Also too, there are plenty of bad Catholics, and plenty of bad Italians, and plenty of bad Jews… sometimes negative influences in cultures and religions have effects outside of those religions and ethnic groups… not prejudiced to say so…

I think you may have confused the country of Jordan and the State of Israel, but as you wish we will leave that aside:

As to Jews in different fields of endeavour (you realize that not only are we small in numbers but that we were not allowed to integrate into the general population until the
19th century)- this will give you a rough starting point;

jinfo.org/

I understand that you believe that Jews are somehow detrimental to others, and therefore it is important to regulate their influence. After you read the information on the above website, you will be able to decide if you wish to disassociate yourself from all those negative “contributions” by Jews and thus be free of their influence.

 

[Shin]

I think perhaps what you should understand is that you do not understand what I have been saying, and should not attempt to put words in my mouth.

If you don’t want to actually answer what I have asked, you’re free not to, as you have done so.

An opportunity to dispel myths with facts well, provide the facts is what is best no?