Is it ok for Muslims to torture Christians?

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Faith101:
Hey exoflare

I have never heard of the “hadith” you mentioned. It directly contradicts the Quran. If any hadith contradicts the Quran, it is considered fabricated, and is thrown out like garbage.

Islam is a religion of justice. THe Quran CLEARLY states that no one is better than any one else, except if they have more piety. THe prophet Mohamed (peace be upon him) said that no arab is superior than a non-arab and no white man is superior over black.
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Would you throw Sahih Al Bukhary and Sahih Moslem out with the garbage?
Islam Looked Down on Blacks

Islam is a religion, whose sacred Scriptures contain explicit denigrating remarks about Black people.

Mohammed referred to Blacks as “raisin heads”. (Sahih Al Bukhary vol. 1, no. 662 and vol. 9, no. 256).

In another Hadith, Mohammed is quoted as saying that Blacks are, “pug-nosed slaves”. (Sahih Moslem vol. 9 pages 46 and 47).

Look up the Hadiths for yourself if you don’t believe it…:rolleyes:
 
I don’t see how this need be interpreted as a statement denigrating Blacks in general. In fact, Muhammad seems to be doing the opposite. If white Southerners had obeyed this hadith after the Civil War (during which time they revoked the newly gained freedoms of the ex-slaves), American history would have been very different
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    Allah's Apostle said, "You should listen to and obey, your ruler even       if he was an Ethiopian (black) slave whose head looks like a raisin."
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Regarding the “pug-nosed” hadith, could you provide the full quote? I can’t seem to find it.
 
The muslims sure have an attitude problem. They scream when the “see” us “misuse” the Koran, or the people. Yet, what do they do to us? They have been shown to torture their prisoners AND the bible. We aren’t suppose to complain about it, after all, they have their “freedoms.” But what about ours? Notice that the world raises havock about american treatment of muslim prisoners and the Koran. But where are they when it’s americans and the bible?
 
Hi,

I have been a Muslim for around 15 years and I have never come across any teaching in Islam that legitimizes torture. I am absolutely sure that it is NOT ALLOWED in Islam. Whoever does this is an ignorant fool and he is disobeying God and his prophet.

peace,

deen
 
Islam is a religion, whose sacred Scriptures contain explicit denigrating remarks about Black people.

Mohammed referred to Blacks as “raisin heads”. (Sahih Al Bukhary vol. 1, no. 662 and vol. 9, no. 256).

In another Hadith, Mohammed is quoted as saying that Blacks are, “pug-nosed slaves”. (Sahih Moslem vol. 9 pages 46 and 47).

Look up the Hadiths for yourself if you don’t believe it…:rolleyes:
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It seems that those hadiths have been quoted out-of context. If you read the true teachings of Islam, you will notice that one of the problems that it tries to eradicate is **racism.**I advice you to learn more about Islam:

www.islamtomorrow.com

Thx and peace,

deen
 
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Stu:
Obviously a debateable point in the Islamic world. Somehow it seems those who take its meaning to be an “outward” struggle are ruling the day.
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It is, in fact, only a “seeming”. The only Muslim regime to officially condone religious violence was the Taliban in Afghanistan.

Irenicist
 
Christy Beth:
The muslims sure have an attitude problem. They scream when the “see” us “misuse” the Koran, or the people. Yet, what do they do to us? They have been shown to torture their prisoners AND the bible. We aren’t suppose to complain about it, after all, they have their “freedoms.” But what about ours? Notice that the world raises havock about american treatment of muslim prisoners and the Koran. But where are they when it’s americans and the bible?
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Yes, torture occurs in Saudi jails. But what makes you think such treatment is reserved for Christians? For that matter, why do you believe that 30 million Muslims in Saudi Arabia are somehow representative of the world’s billion Muslims?

Irenicist
 
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deen:
Hi,

I have been a Muslim for around 15 years and I have never come across any teaching in Islam that legitimizes torture. I am absolutely sure that it is NOT ALLOWED in Islam. Whoever does this is an ignorant fool and he is disobeying God and his prophet.

peace,

deen
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Thank You for the straight forward answer. Have any religious leaders condemned the torture?
 
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deen:
It seems that those hadiths have been quoted out-of context. If you read the true teachings of Islam, you will notice that one of the problems that it tries to eradicate is **racism.**I advice you to learn more about Islam:

www.islamtomorrow.com

Thx and peace,

deen
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I have to say that I am impressed at the moderation and discretion displayed by this forum’s few Muslims in the face of astonishingly ignorant and hateful things being said here about their faith. After centuries of lies and slander at the hands of anti-Catholics, one would think that Catholics might show a bit less bigoted credulity. Even the Jewish posters here show more restraint. Do we really want to look like mirror images of those defending Bin Laden?

If you want to learn more about Islam, read books on Islam by Muslims or at least by sympathetic scholars, not anti-Muslim tracts. It’s the same as the principle that one should learn about Catholicism from books written by faithful Catholics, not rants by professional anti-Catholics. If you start with critics as your principal reference, you are acting foolishly or demonstrably in bad faith.

Irenicist
 
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Maranatha:
Thank You for the straight forward answer. Have any religious leaders condemned the torture?
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Torture, even in Saudi jails, is technically illegal. So yes, Saudi religious leaders would have no difficulty condemning it. The Saudi government, however, routinely denies that anything improper occurs or blames “bad apples”, just like some US run military detention facilities, or police departments in Western countries accused of similar abuses. I’m sure there isn’t a single religious leader in the US who condones what happened at Abu Grahib. I think it’s safe to assume, barring explicit statements to the contrary, that most Saudi religious leaders disapprove of the “fifth degree” being applied in their country as well.

Irenicist
 
space ghost:
…truth be known… i’m sure you will find blood on the hands of all sides…
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doesn’t make it right!

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what I don’t seem to understand is why non muslims when they quote from the Quran seem to have in mind verses that they claim gives muslims the green card to go out and massacre non muslims when that is not true at all.I have never seen a non muslim come up with the verses where GOD in the quran is praising the non muslims the people of the book and how muslims are required to respect them.Muslims are allowed to marry their women and eat meat slaughtered by them.There are even verses in the quran where it is mentioned that among the Jews and Chrsitians , those who do not ascribe partners to GOD, who follow the one GOD and his true teaching then there is a great reward for them on the day of judgement.
So as I have repeated time and time to other non muslims why not read the Quran and not let others spoonfeed you their thoughts and their doctrines.see for yuorself.Ask for yourself.
You may be surprised the true answer is totall the opposite from what you have been made to beleive.
Peace
Starightpath
 
Dear All

The extremist and fundamentalist of the Islam play the bad part of their religion. True muslims do not acts of violence.

God Bless
Saint Andrew.
 
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Maranatha:
Thank You for the straight forward answer. Have any religious leaders condemned the torture?
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depending on who are those religious leaders you are talking about. the ones paid by the oppressive regimes will not talk but those who are strong in their faith are probably in jail now for condemning the act of torture.

btw, those so -called Muslims are not only torturing Christians, they also do it (probably more) to Muslims ! So its not a matter of hating Christianity, it is the backwardness (definitely NOT from Islam) of those people doing that evil act.

peace,

deen
 
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Irenicist:
I have to say that I am impressed at the moderation and discretion displayed by this forum’s few Muslims in the face of astonishingly ignorant and hateful things being said here about their faith. After centuries of lies and slander at the hands of anti-Catholics, one would think that Catholics might show a bit less bigoted credulity. Even the Jewish posters here show more restraint. Do we really want to look like mirror images of those defending Bin Laden?

If you want to learn more about Islam, read books on Islam by Muslims or at least by sympathetic scholars, not anti-Muslim tracts. It’s the same as the principle that one should learn about Catholicism from books written by faithful Catholics, not rants by professional anti-Catholics. If you start with critics as your principal reference, you are acting foolishly or demonstrably in bad faith.

Irenicist
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I’m not surprised that ignorant things have been said on this forum about Islam. This is a Catholic form after all.

I don’t condone hateful things being said but please remember that the internet is an imperfect form and things may come across as hateful when they were not meant as such.

If a person wants to learn more about Islam they should read both its supporter and detractors. I support the same for anyone investigating Catholicism. The truth has nothing to fear.
 
Saint Andrew:
Dear All

The extremist and fundamentalist of the Islam play the bad part of their religion. True muslims do not acts of violence.

God Bless
Saint Andrew.
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Thanks for that SA! I can also say that those Christians who participated in the Crusades did not represent Christianity properly.

peace,

deen
 
Saint Andrew:
Dear All

The extremist and fundamentalist of the Islam play the bad part of their religion. True muslims do not acts of violence.

God Bless
Saint Andrew.
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Who determines who is a true Muslim and who is not?
 
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Maranatha:
Who determines who is a true Muslim and who is not?
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God. He is the only one that knows what is in our hearts and the intentions behind our actions
 
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Catholic29:
Would you throw Sahih Al Bukhary and Sahih Moslem out with the garbage?
Islam Looked Down on Blacks

Islam is a religion, whose sacred Scriptures contain explicit denigrating remarks about Black people.

Mohammed referred to Blacks as “raisin heads”. (Sahih Al Bukhary vol. 1, no. 662 and vol. 9, no. 256).

In another Hadith, Mohammed is quoted as saying that Blacks are, “pug-nosed slaves”. (Sahih Moslem vol. 9 pages 46 and 47).

Look up the Hadiths for yourself if you don’t believe it…:rolleyes:
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Hey Catholic29

If you would like to know what Prophet Mohamed thought about black people, than study his life. He assigned the duty to call prayer to a black man who was formerly a slave. He treated him so well, that after Mohamed’s death, this man, named Bilal could not bear live in Mecca without Mohamed in it. He treated everyone as God commanded him to, EQUALLY. SO, in God’s eyes is the white man better than the black? Is the man better than the woman? We can look at God’s words to find the answer

O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things) (Quran 49:13)
 
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Faith101:
God. He is the only one that knows what is in our hearts and the intentions behind our actions
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If God is the only one who determines how is a Muslim then do you just assume that everyone is a Muslim and treat them accordingly?
 
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