Is it ok to listen to Dr Taylor Marshall?

[JSRG]

I’ve only seen one episode of Father Knows Best, and it was all about how silly it was that any girl might actually want to grow up to become an engineer, because girls aren’t smart enough to be able to do that. Yes, that was the actual lesson of the episode: If you’re a girl, don’t try to be an engineer, you’re inherently not smart enough.

Maybe this wasn’t what the series was normally like, but it definitely left a really bad taste in my mouth. I’ll take bumbling dad jokes any day over that.

 

[JimmyDFG]

Just about every post or tweet is meant to divide people now. He takes a lot of liberties in his criticisms. He takes words out of context. The one that did it for me was his attacks a couple days ago on PF and saying he doesn’t believe in the immaculate conception because Francis said Mary wasn’t born a saint and had to work at it. It was clear in context what PF was saying.

I use to listen to Mr. Taylor Marshall’s podcasts years ago which I thought they were pretty good. Within the last few years he’s been attacking others within the Church, even harshly criticizing the Novus Ordo Mass. I find now he mostly deals in speculation (and that includes on who the “enemies” of the Church are). . . .

I saw on his FB page about pope Francis and Mary’s Immaculate Conception.
Mr Marshall went out of his way to bring up what pope Francis said last year on the matter. Only to stir the pot. You look at the comments on TM’s FB and YouTube channel, you’ll see the deep division that he’s stirring among people.

 

[MagdalenaRita]

I’ve only seen one episode of Father Knows Best, and it was all about how silly it was that any girl might actually want to grow up to become an engineer, because girls aren’t smart enough to be able to do that. Yes, that was the actual lesson of the episode: If you’re a girl, don’t try to be an engineer, you’re inherently not smart enough.

Maybe this wasn’t what the series was normally like, but it definitely left a really bad taste in my mouth. I’ll take bumbling dad jokes any day over that.

That episode ended with the guy coming over to the house with candy and apologizing. It was actually an episode that showed that women could choose engineering as a career but also the importance of marriage and family as a priority.

I have seen every episode of Father Knows Best and most all of them had good moral lessons. Most still relate today.

 

[abinjoy]

Yes this is precisely the problem with the so called faithful trads on the internet

 

[JSRG]

JSRG:

I’ve only seen one episode of Father Knows Best, and it was all about how silly it was that any girl might actually want to grow up to become an engineer, because girls aren’t smart enough to be able to do that. Yes, that was the actual lesson of the episode: If you’re a girl, don’t try to be an engineer, you’re inherently not smart enough.

Maybe this wasn’t what the series was normally like, but it definitely left a really bad taste in my mouth. I’ll take bumbling dad jokes any day over that.

That episode ended with the guy coming over to the house with candy and apologizing. It was actually an episode that showed that women could choose engineering as a career but also the importance of marriage and family as a priority.

I have seen every episode of Father Knows Best and most all of them had good moral lessons. Most still relate today.

But the “apology” was more for being a jerk about it than his attitude himself, as he still gets to give a speech to her father about how women shouldn’t be engineers because it takes jobs away from guys. Though honestly, I probably would’ve been more willing to forgive it for these sorts of things if I found the episode actually funny.

That said, I did decide to be fair and watch another episode, and it was better, even if I don’t think it’s aged that well. So maybe it was just a bad episode I watched.

 

[commenter]

I use to listen to Mr. Taylor Marshall’s podcasts years ago which I thought they were pretty good. Within the last few years he’s been attacking others within the Church, even harshly criticizing the Novus Ordo Mass. I find now he mostly deals in speculation (and that includes on who the “enemies” of the Church are) and being deceitful.

The move out of Catholic orthodoxy into something else (progressivism, or Traditionalism) is so gradual and well intentioned. It’s just that when you are consistently orthodox you don’t get as much attention as when you challenge the bishops, either one way (Fr. James Martin, SJ,) or the other way (Taylor Marshall, Ph.D).

The farther people move away from orthodoxy, (towards Progressivism or Traditionalism) the more they end up appealing to, entertaining their fan base, and less useful to the spiritual life of their fans.

 

[MagdalenaRita]

Though honestly, I probably would’ve been more willing to forgive it for these sorts of things if I found the episode actually funny.

Yes. I don’t want to say too much so as not to derail the thread, but I think the reason we want funny is because we are used to sitcoms today with goofy men, which is a sad thing to be happening to men. Father Knows Best was not meant to be a sitcom but a family show with a moral lesson. Something families could aspire to. I personally do not feel that there was anything to forgive since according to the Church a mother’s priority should be her home and family.

Relating it back to Dr. Marshall, I think he could be a little more respectful toward those in authority in the Church, even if he disagrees with them and I can see why he does. There is a lot to the crisis in the Church today. There are respectful ways to disagree and unrespectful ways to disagree. Just trying to be careful with our criticism of character is one way.

I saw on his FB page about pope Francis and Mary’s Immaculate Conception.
Mr Marshall went out of his way to bring up what pope Francis said last year on the matter. Only to stir the pot. You look at the comments on TM’s FB and YouTube channel, you’ll see the deep division that he’s stirring among people.

I saw that and it was bothersome for me also. I wasn’t sure what the Pope had said in full context but I have never liked critiquing quotes taken out of context.
I haven’t wrote Dr. Marshall off as there are some things in his videos that are good and more importantly informative. I don’t want to put my head in the sand when it comes to the crisis in the Church. I’m not sure if I would have known about Elton John and Peter’s Pence otherwise and many other things besides. I am cautious when it comes to Twitter.

God bless

 

[commenter]

. I don’t want to put my head in the sand when it comes to the crisis in the Church.

I have friends who follow Dr Marshall. They are active in the Church, but not more active, not apparently more intelligently active, than before following him. I have not known them to utilize anything they learned in any practical way.

Following Dr Marshall seems to give one the feeling of being active, on the cutting edge, on the front lines, so to speak.

In reality it’s not different from putting your head in the sand. Raising the level of alarm, for the sake of alarm, increases passivity. Confessing the sins of other people always does.

 

[MagdalenaRita]

I have friends who follow Dr Marshall. They are active in the Church, but not more active, not apparently more intelligently active, than before following him. I have not known them to utilize anything they learned in any practical way.

Following Dr Marshall seems to give one the feeling of being active, on the cutting edge, on the front lines, so to speak.

I listen to Dr. Marshall. I don’t “follow” him. (nor any other human alive today). He is one person to listen to regarding what is happening in the Church but he is not the only person. Listening to him and others who discuss the crisis in the Church and other issues in the Church, yes, may not make me more “intelligently” active but does make me aware of certain situations happening and show me what to pray for. I like being specific in my prayers.

I don’t listen to Dr. Marshall or others like him to be on the cutting edge anymore than when I go to other Catholic websites, such as National Catholic Register, World Over Live or even my local Catholic newspaper. I do it to hear or read what is going on in the Church today because I am part of the Church.

I am a strong believer in the power of prayer, so if knowing something puts me on the “front line”, I guess that means prayer. There are quite a few novenas going on in the Church today. As Catholics we have a responsibility to pray for the Church.

I suspect these are the reasons most people have for listening to Dr. Marshall and others like him.

 

[Alphard]

This whole thread could be summarized by the italian saying : " to look at the finger and not at the moon".
An endless list of arguing and dissecting of TM words and expression used, the way he talks, ad hominem etc. Very little discussion about what he is telling. Is he telling true things or not? Has he actually said something contrary to Catholic teaching or not?
In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary ( and unpopular) act.

 

[Pat_Albertson]

Live right now:

There is even a priest in the chat: Fr. David M. Chiantella

 

[JimmyDFG]

I saw that and it was bothersome for me also. I wasn’t sure what the Pope had said in full context but I have never liked critiquing quotes taken out of context.
I haven’t wrote Dr. Marshall off as there are some things in his videos that are good and more importantly informative. I don’t want to put my head in the sand when it comes to the crisis in the Church. I’m not sure if I would have known about Elton John and Peter’s Pence otherwise and many other things besides. I am cautious when it comes to Twitter.

I read the full quote on what Pope Francis said (which Marshall doesn’t offer), I believe it was taken out of context. There are news agency that fan the flames of hysteria, some of them Taylor Marshall is following

 

[JimmyDFG]

Clarifications on Pope Francis’ Guadalupe Homily Concerning “Co-redemptrix”

Clarifications on Pope Francis’ Guadalupe Homily Concerning “Co-redemptrix”

In response to recent articles concerning our Holy Father’s comments on the “Co-redemptrix” title and the possibility of a new Marian dogma made during his December 12, 2019 Homily on the Feast of Our Lady of Guadalupe, including in CruxNow, the following clarifications are in order.The accurate...

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[Pat_Albertson]

Thank you for that, very interesting.

KInda hard to elaborate on Taylor and his guest here, but they discuss the ‘Protestant zero sum redemption’ vs the Catholic/Mary ‘My soul magnifies the Lord’ vision of the redemption.

There is a lot of other material in that video too, and I’m still watching it.

 

[Pat_Albertson]

 

[MagdalenaRita]

Wow, good video. Loved Jesse Romero’s testimony stories of the rosary and it’s protection.

 

[Pat_Albertson]

 

[abinjoy]

TM is also deceiving people just like many clergy…Just FYI

 

[abinjoy]

People listen to TM perhaps for the juciy speculative stuff that often we hear in his shows as well

 

[abinjoy]

Fake news. TM was resorting to sensationalism

Clarifications on Pope Francis’ Guadalupe Homily Concerning “Co-redemptrix”

In response to recent articles concerning our Holy Father’s comments on the “Co-redemptrix” title and the possibility of a new Marian dogma made during his December 12, 2019 Homily on the Feast of Our Lady of Guadalupe, including in CruxNow, the following clarifications are in order.The accurate...

www.motherofallpeoples.com