Is it possible to be a good Catholic and be pro choice?

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The fact that your only response so far has been to repeat yourself and get mad at anyone who disagrees with you only proves to us that you are not secure in your own position. I pray that this will cause you to question your own judgment and ultimately lead you to the truth.
 
I believe that abortion is not as cut and dry a matter as both sides profess. It is a difficult matter for everyone. All I have learned now is if you have an opinion on a site like this, keep it to yourself.
 
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I am entitled to my personal opinion. You are entitled to yours.
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In the Marine Corps - there is an old saying about opinions …

That is your problem … you have an opinion - yes you are free to have it … and I defended your right to express it

However, an opinion is not equivalent to a "well formed conscience’ … though many of us wish it were … no matter how many times with try to make it so, or how many times we try to say it is, or stamp our feet and declare that it is …

AN opinion is not a moral truth … mostly - our opinions stem from our “feelings” … and how we *feel *is not the measure of a moral good … if it were then adultery could be a moral good - because at the time it felt right …

You subscribe to that group that does not want to impose your beliefs on another … but abortion is always and at all times an immoral act - not just for Catholics, not just for Christians - but for all people at all times … it is a moral evil … not because the Church says it is - but because it evil to take an innocent life - every where and at all times …
 
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I believe that abortion is not as cut and dry a matter as both sides profess. It is a difficult matter for everyone.
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Now we’re getting to the bottom of it. So would you admit that you have questions about when human life begins? If so then we can argue about that. If not, and you agree with the Church’s teaching that all life begins at conception, then you are either extremely immoral for believing in murdering people or you are somehow deluding yourself into thinking that the two positions are somehow compatible.
 
RRusso1982 said:
I believe that abortion is not as cut and dry a matter as both sides profess. It is a difficult matter for everyone. All I have learned now is if you have an opinion on a site like this, keep it to yourself.
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What is not cut and dried? … you use platitudes and code speak that says nothing?

Answer the question - Does abortion end the life of a human person? Yes or No?
 
I honestly don’t know when I believe life begins. I am not a medical expert. I can state my beliefs on abortion to a member of NARAL and they call me anti choice because I oppose late term abortion, support parental notification laws, and oppose taxpayer funding of abortion. I tell people on here my opinion on the issue, and they say I am pro abortion. I think I should just keep my opinions to myself from now on.
 
RRusso1982 said:
I believe that abortion is not as cut and dry a matter as both sides profess. It is a difficult matter for everyone. All I have learned now is if you have an opinion on a site like this, keep it to yourself.
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Why won’t you answer the question? Is it a baby or is it not a baby?
 
RRusso1982 said:
I believe that abortion is not as cut and dry a matter as both sides profess. It is a difficult matter for everyone. All I have learned now is if you have an opinion on a site like this, keep it to yourself.
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So you asked a question - *can you be a good catholic … *

Which might mean you had doubts about your position [which now is your opinion] …

Only to use the post as a spring board for …

:crying:"You are all mean, I am right in my opinion and gosh darn it … I will not play here anymore because you meanies trampled on my opinion and that is just not fair! … ? :crying:

Sorry but that makes me want to :rotfl: *except the topic is too important … *
Really - I will answer the question for you …

Abortion kills a baby, a little innocent baby!

We as a society - as Christians - as Catholics, as Atheists need to recognize that truth and work to end abortion - in the law AND in practice … its a social justice issue
 
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I honestly don’t know when I believe life begins. I am not a medical expert. I can state my beliefs on abortion to a member of NARAL and they call me anti choice because I oppose late term abortion, support parental notification laws, and oppose taxpayer funding of abortion. I tell people on here my opinion on the issue, and they say I am pro abortion. I think I should just keep my opinions to myself from now on.
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Ask a biologist, or any scientist or anyone who has taken HS biology. A new life begins, scientifically, when a new DNA structure is created. This is at the moment of conception. This has been known SCIENTIFICALLY for many decades now.
 
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I believe that abortion is not as cut and dry a matter as both sides profess. It is a difficult matter for everyone. All I have learned now is if you have an opinion on a site like this, keep it to yourself.
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sigh This is exactly what I assume someone in your position would conclude. It takes a strong constitution to share unpopular questions here – kudos for doing so and best wishes for your ability to handle the blowback.

Yes, I think abortion can be a far more confused issue than either side admits. I’m against abortion but how to effectively teach people so they independently reject it is something else altogether. And we often leave single mothers in a position to accept lifelong poverty. But again, it may be tough to openly discuss this subject where people are on fire to share the Church’s teachings. I’m not sure there’s a more emotionally charged issue for many Catholics.
 
RRusso1982 said:
I honestly don’t know when I believe life begins. I am not a medical expert. I can state my beliefs on abortion to a member of NARAL and they call me anti choice because I oppose late term abortion, support parental notification laws, and oppose taxpayer funding of abortion. I tell people on here my opinion on the issue, and they say I am pro abortion. I think I should just keep my opinions to myself from now on.
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I do not understand you. First you come to this Catholic forum asking how a Catholic should behave. Then when people tell you that the teachings of the Church are completely opposed to your lukewarm concepts you complain because they do not validate your opinions and make you feel bad about yourself. Maybe you feel bad because deep down you understand that you are completely wrong in being lukewarm about abortion.
 
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I believe that abortion is not as cut and dry a matter as both sides profess. It is a difficult matter for everyone.
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I’m more than certain that abortion is a difficult matter for everyone. For many, it is difficult to do it and for many it is a difficult decision not to do it. That’s just pure honesty.

You belong to one of the last institutions that stands for the rights of the unborn. That is one of the many things that drew me to the church. The church has the right and duty to specify what is right and what is not. The faithful have the duty to accept and abide by those specifications.

Do we fail (do we sin?)? Of coursen each and evreyone of us. Take for instance one that struggles with lustful thoughts. Try as they may, they might still find themselves engaged in lustful thought. That is a bad thing but they are still seeking holiness and trying to avoid that sin. What if rather than working to avoid it, they just decided that the church, Jesus and God were wrong? Would they still be a good Christian if they denied the authority of God, Jesus and the church?

Btw, if you were in congress with a mere 80% record of protecting innocent, in my opinion, you would be a poor member of congress.
 
Btw, if you were in congress with a mere 80% record of protecting innocent, in my opinion, you would be a poor member of congress.

Would you rather my point of view or would you prefer Nancy “Stretch” Pelosi’s and Joe “Plugs” Biden’s?
 
RRusso1982 said:
Would you rather my point of view or would you prefer Nancy “Stretch” Pelosi’s?
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We would rather you come to understand that abortion is not something that anyone who professes to be a follower of Christ can support in any way, shape or form-- not its legality, not in the first trimester, not ever.

We would rather you come to understand that killing children is wrong.

We would rather you answer our simple question regarding why you believe it is OK to kill children in the womb.
 
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Btw, if you were in congress with a mere 80% record of protecting innocent, in my opinion, you would be a poor member of congress.
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Would you rather my point of view or would you prefer Nancy Pelosi’s?

My congressman and both of my US senators are very prolife. Why would I need to settle for bad, worse, you or Mrs. Pelosi? In my mind, it’s murder and that is the position of the Church. Are you seeking a pat on the back because you don’t advocate killing as many as Mrs. Pelosi? You’re still advocating murder.
 
What state are you from? I’m in New Jersey, so attitudes on abortion are probably different.
 
RRusso1982 said:
What state are you from? I’m in New Jersey, so attitudes on abortion are probably different.
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But is it *attitudes *of those around us that should be informing our conscience, or the Truth of Christ’s teaching?

Is it the *attitude *of those around us that form our moral conscience, or is it the Truth of Christ?

If the prevailing attitude around you is that abortion is OK, then it is even that much more important that we proclaim the truth that it is not.
 
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