And that’s the proof we’ve been looking for, isn’t it? They have to be sinners. And we don’t need no steenkin’ proof – this isn’t a refereed paper.
Well, first of all, we were talking about $100 million, but nonetheless, the following points still fit.
Amazing…is the one who brings the word ENVY into this discussion…I sense a bit of projection here, Mr. V.And that’s the proof we’ve been looking for, isn’t it? They have to be sinners. And we don’t need no steenkin’ proof – this isn’t a refereed paper.
This is like playing fetch with an inexhaustible dog – no matter how far I throw the stick, you’ll bring it back.
:blushing:Who is not a sinner? But like I have said over and over, perhaps there is a sample selection bias in those who attempt to become “filthy rich”. It may be that this group has different struggles, than people who don’t have the desire o become “filthy rich”. Certainly, if your goal is to become filthy rich, it is certainly reasonable to assume that you are going to run into different temptations than someone who may have other goals. Now of course, if I see data that refutes this initial hypothesis, I will change my mind.
Fetch!!
Indeed it is. And note the behavior pattern on this thread.
Your hypothesis is that one will lose his soul in the process of becoming “filthy rich.” How exactly do you plan to find “data” to support your hypothesis? Are you going to do a manual count of those in heaven and hell who were filthy rich on earth?
Are there people who are “obsessively focused towards their work” that are never going to be and perhaps not even interested in being “filthy rich?” I think so. In which case, you haven’t uncovered a “different temptation.”
Fetch!When do you get time to do much of anything else???
By different temptation, what I mean is that we have different degrees of struggle with different temptations. For example, it would be difficult for me to get overextended with credit card debt because being financially prudent is something that comes easy to me. I also have less desire for some of the fancier goodies of this world. So the temptation of buying stuff I cannot afford is not something I struggle with. Now of course, it is a good thing that I chose to become a college professor with these preferences, because I know that I will never become “filthy rich” and if I did, all of that wealth would be wasted on me.As far as “different temptations” are concerned. It wasn’t mentioned in your original post. The primary comment was…
Are there people who are “obsessively focused towards their work” that are never going to be and perhaps not even interested in being “filthy rich?” I think so. In which case, you haven’t uncovered a “different temptation.”
I still don’t get your point? Why do you care about other people’s hurdles? Are you writing a book - *How to become “filthy rich” and not lose your soul *?
Sounds like a good idea. Do we have any entrepreneurs who have been canonized? That would be a good place to start.
But of course, it doesn’t apply equally to everyone. In addition, in my original post. I didn’t say that the “filthy rich” were necessarily more sinful, what I did ask was about those attempting to become “filthy rich”. Now of course there is a bit of randomness in who actually becomes “filthy rich”. If Bill Gates started his company five years earlier there is a chance that he would be a computer programmer today instead of a billionaire. So the question was not about the “filthy rich” as a group, but the quest for extreme wealth that our culture worships.
Well then, I would recommend you learn how to pose your questions a little more clearly professor, because that question was not asked. You chose to refer to the “filthy rich” (a group) and focus on discussing the state of their souls. If you want to start a thread about consumerism, that is easy enough. Consumerism is pervasive in our society. It is not the sole dominion of those who have a quest to be “filthy rich.”
(he’s winking because of the speck )
I’m sure there are other sins which you do struggle with. Perhaps, you could help others who struggle with the same issues, rather than concerning yourself with the struggles you don’t have.btw…what in the world does that have to do with the question at hand? Did he or didn’t he have a “quest” to be filthy rich? You don’t know…neither do I.
YEAH! They should be refer to as the “holy, pure and saintly wealthy.” After all, prosperity is a sure sign of election and poverty is a certain sign of reprobation to damnation. The rich are saints walking among us who are living the joy of this life while they await the joys of the next while the poor are damned souls awaiting the punishment they rightly deserve for being wicked and lazy, criminals all.
The point was that more people seek wealth than find it. You brought up Bill Gates, so I just continued with the example.
If it would endanger your soul, my most charitable suggestion to you would be to find another line of work. Like I said, making money by itself is not bad, but there can be potential dangers.I am a salesman. Due to the nature of my job, these are questions I have dealt with and still deal with. I have two quotes out to customers right now that could make my income grow about 20x of what it is right now. Now, it is my job to make such quotes, because the companies I represent are paying me to help them close business. If I close those orders, I will have more income than I need. Should I have said “no bid” for fear of my soul? If I don’t quote them, then I will not be representing my companies…that is also a sin. Oh, the HUMANITY!!
I am working out my salvation in fear and trembling, just like every other Christian. My soul would be in even more danger if I had chosen to be a professor. The pride that comes with thinking you know it all would just be too much.
Part of the problem is that most of the rich that I know are not Christians. Now I am not saying that most of the rich are not Christian, but if you don’t have that as a foundation, you are handicapped right from the start.
Pride is a real problem. Especially when you can’t get fired. It is the profession I know where the employees call the bosses by their first names, and the bosses address the employees as doctor so and so.My soul would be in even more danger if I had chosen to be a professor. The pride that comes with thinking you know it all would just be too much.