Is it possible to become filthy rich without losing your soul?

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It depends on your method of obtaining the money for one thing and it also depends on how you use it once you have it - for selfishness or for Philanthropy.
I agree. An abortionist who makes $ 500,000 is worse than the businessman who starts the next Apple Computer and is worth billions.

I believe that if we took money from all of the billionaries and redestrubuted it to the poor people by handouts, we would get poor people addicted to hand outs and have a lot more poor people in the long run.

The answer to poverty does not have the simple solution of just taking from people who are rich in my view. I live in an area with a lot of poor people and believe that I’ve seen things that prove this.
 
I agree. An abortionist who makes $ 500,000 is worse than the businessman who starts the next Apple Computer and is worth billions.

I believe that if we took money from all of the billionaries and redestrubuted it to the poor people by handouts, we would get poor people addicted to hand outs and have a lot more poor people in the long run.

The answer to poverty does not have the simple solution of just taking from people who are rich in my view. I live in an area with a lot of poor people and believe that I’ve seen things that prove this.
You’re on the right track.

Add up all the billions from all the billionaries and divide by the billions of poor people and you end up with each poor person getting just a couple of dollars.
 
You’re on the right track.

Add up all the billions from all the billionaries and divide by the billions of poor people and you end up with each poor person getting just a couple of dollars.
Likely so.
 
You’re on the right track.

Add up all the billions from all the billionaries and divide by the billions of poor people and you end up with each poor person getting just a couple of dollars.
Yeah, that because all that wealth will be diluted by too many poor people.
 
Yeah, that because all that wealth will be diluted by too many poor people.
Also, of course, because there are not all that many truly wealthy people, and most of those who are regarded as “wealthy” really aren’t.
 
Anyone with more money than me. Doesn’t everyone?
You must have a lot of money if there are very few “truly wealthy” people out there. So, how did you acquire all of this largess without losing your soul?😃
 
You must have a lot of money if there are very few “truly wealthy” people out there. So, how did you acquire all of this largess without losing your soul?😃
But you see, I never said I was wealthy, let alone “truly wealthy”, which is another thing entirely from being merely “wealthy”, in the sense of “perceived better off financially”.
 
But you see, I never said I was wealthy, let alone “truly wealthy”, which is another thing entirely from being merely “wealthy”, in the sense of “perceived better off financially”.
You just defined wealthy as anyone who has more than you. You also said few people were truly wealthy. I just figured that you had quite a pile of cash. Perhaps you should define truly wealthy.
 
You just defined wealthy as anyone who has more than you. You also said few people were truly wealthy. I just figured that you had quite a pile of cash. Perhaps you should define truly wealthy.
This very same question was asked in another thread some time ago. An interesting answer was given by someone who quoted, I think perhaps Andrew Carnegie who defined true wealth as that circumstance in which you can live as well as you want off the income of your income.

But I don’t think I can define it because I think it defies definition. Wealth is relative to other things. I know a man, for example, who made a good salary and was granted stock options as well. He could not exercise them, however, until he left his position. Ultimately he did, and the options were worth some 40 million. 40 million is pretty wealthy in my book, but at what point was he truly wealthy? Only when he resigned? Earlier?

I know farmers who make a cornbread living on multi-million dollar farms (not all that big a farm nowadays) they intend to leave to their children so they can make cornbread livings being farmers too. Are they wealthy?

I know a man who started up a very strange business that nobody would have given him two cents for and was a money pit. He succeeded, however, in solving a problem in (of all things) making American pet food products that would meet EU requirements in a meat processing industry environment that virtually precluded it. As soon as he succeeded and sold some of his product to a major pet food company, they offered him four million for a half interest in his business. He took it and immediately invested the money in yet another untested venture that’s still in the process of being proved out and doesn’t make money. If it doesn’t work, he has invested a lot of money he will never get back. Wealthy?

On the other hand, if some tribesman or other in Africa has twenty cows when the next wealthiest guy has only ten, he’s at least regarded as “wealthy”, though by our standards, he would be regarded as “poor” if that’s all he had.

I recall being told in graduate school that “he who has a profession has an estate”. Lot of truth to that. So then is a newly licensed MD with a 200 thousand dollar debt overhang wealthy? In some ways, yes.

I think you realize that in defining “wealthy” as anyone having more money than me, I was being facetious. I said that as a reflection of how it’s virtually human nature to see things that way. And I think most people do.
 
But I don’t think I can define it because I think it defies definition. Wealth is relative to other things.
It is kind of funny isn’t it, that we define wealth in relative terms, but people oftentimes balk at measuring poverty the same way. For example, on these threads people will say that the poor in America are not poor compared to the poor in LDCs. But the same people will almost always set the wealthy bar above them.
I know a man, for example, who made a good salary and was granted stock options as well. He could not exercise them, however, until he left his position. Ultimately he did, and the options were worth some 40 million. 40 million is pretty wealthy in my book, but at what point was he truly wealthy? Only when he resigned? Earlier?
I know farmers who make a cornbread living on multi-million dollar farms (not all that big a farm nowadays) they intend to leave to their children so they can make cornbread livings being farmers too. Are they wealthy?
I would say in both of these cases, as long as they have the ability to sell their stock or their farm, they should be considered wealthy. After all, wealth is a stock variable, income is a flow variable. So if you have a farm that is worth $5 million, but you only make $100,000 per year in income, the fact still remains that you could invest the money in the farm in some other way and make more money.
I know a man who started up a very strange business that nobody would have given him two cents for and was a money pit. He succeeded, however, in solving a problem in (of all things) making American pet food products that would meet EU requirements in a meat processing industry environment that virtually precluded it. As soon as he succeeded and sold some of his product to a major pet food company, they offered him four million for a half interest in his business. He took it and immediately invested the money in yet another untested venture that’s still in the process of being proved out and doesn’t make money. If it doesn’t work, he has invested a lot of money he will never get back. Wealthy?
I would say that he is wealthy, but risk loving. Which means that he may or may not stay that way.
I recall being told in graduate school that “he who has a profession has an estate”. Lot of truth to that. So then is a newly licensed MD with a 200 thousand dollar debt overhang wealthy? In some ways, yes.
Human capital definitely is a form of wealth.
I think you realize that in defining “wealthy” as anyone having more money than me, I was being facetious. I said that as a reflection of how it’s virtually human nature to see things that way. And I think most people do.
Yes, I realize that you were being facetious, and I answered accordingly. But, you made a claim as well, and I wanted some explanation of your claim.
 
It is kind of funny isn’t it, that we define wealth in relative terms, but people oftentimes balk at measuring poverty the same way. For example, on these threads people will say that the poor in America are not poor compared to the poor in LDCs. But the same people will almost always set the wealthy bar above them. ** I’m certainly not one who balks at thinking of poverty as relative. I know lots of people who are technically “below the poverty level”, but live quite well. I know people who have better incomes but live terribly. The discretionary income one has at one’s disposal certainly does make a difference, but it’s not the only determinant of one’s material wellbeing. Productive capital is certainly one element of “wealth”, but it is not the only one. And even “productive capital” is not always what we think it is. I knew a man who, to my knowledge, never had a regular job. He hunted and fished, kept a milk cow and raised a hog or two, for most of his, and his family’s food. Well, yes, his wife bought a bit of flour, salt, sugar and cloth here and there. He did have a grape arbor and four hives of bees. He only worked at seasonal (summer) labor, and not a whole lot of that. But he had a couple of chain saws and a double bladed axe, some wedges and a sledge hammer and an old pickup truck he was able to keep running for decades. Each winter, he cut logs, (mostly deadfalls on other peoples’ land, or “timber tops”) split them and sharpened them, and sold them in the spring to farmers who were rebuilding fence. I used to drive by his place, and could watch that pile of posts grow, then go down, grow and go down, seasonally. I was astonished when, shortly after his death, his daughters informed me that he had something on the order of $350,000 in the bank. They assured me that, no, I was right about how he got it. Didn’t inherit a dime of it. He and their mother (who predeceased him) had put his two daughters through college too. Well, his wife did sell eggs in the neighborhood.**

I would say in both of these cases, as long as they have the ability to sell their stock or their farm, they should be considered wealthy. ** But was the guy with the options wealthy when he couldn’t access them? Was he before they vested?** After all, wealth is a stock variable, income is a flow variable. So if you have a farm that is worth $5 million, but you only make $100,000 per year in income, the fact still remains that you could invest the money in the farm in some other way and make more money. ** We wouldn’t have very many farmers, then, would we? I, for one, am glad those guys are out there on those tractors on their million dollar farms when it’s 10 below or 110 above. I eat what they produce.**

I would say that he is wealthy, but risk loving. Which means that he may or may not stay that way. Well, he’s certainly not wealthy right now. If he liquidated, he sure wouldn’t be.

Human capital definitely is a form of wealth. I agree.

Yes, I realize that you were being facetious, and I answered accordingly. But, you made a claim as well, and I wanted some explanation of your claim.
Perhaps I missed it, but how do you define “wealth”?
 
i think as long as you give generously to the poor and avoid mortal sin and ultimately stay in the state of grace, you will not fall into the pit, reguardless of how wealthy you are.

the scriptures are clear in that it is difficult for rich people to get to heaven.
 
Well remember the parable where the 3 sons are given money by the father & later asked what they did… where the eldest who made the given money the most was also given the money the one who mafe nothing …
and Jesus says " Who ever has more more will be given to him"

Yes it is quoted, I guess in PROVERBS…
something on the line… God keeps those whose Soul is to be saved from worldly riches…
1 Timothy 6 : 9-10
 
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